All-Star Substance Free Programs

[getsum]

to your second point - those drugs don't enhance performance, if anything they make it worse. i'm surprised she was such a powerhouse tumbler and taking heroin, which makes you weak, lose weight/muscle mass, and you're usually a shaky mess. she wasn't taking steroids and getting strong; those are drugs that destroy your body, not enhance your cheer skills. i guess i just don't understand the point you're trying to make there?

we don't know how often or for how long she was taking heroin. if she was using it as a nighttime recreational drug, her performance wouldnt really be affected, especially if she was getting herself up with amphetamine during athletics. she either didn't know her limits or was testing her limits with heroin. im guessing she didn't know, was new to it and took too much. im guessing that the night she died, she oded on that and probably with xanax. if it was the amphetamine that did her in, there would have been some cardiac and/or stroke complication noted in the autopsy report. the amphetamine was probably her regular thing for athletics. amphetamine does in fact help athletic performance... *a lot*.

ive always wondered what percentage of lvl5 take prescription medication, such as adderal, or street amphetamines to enhance performance.

 

[ACEDAD]

I won't divulge details in respect of the family

Sorry but I don't think family secrets should apply in situations like this.

 

[flipmac]

I am honestly surprised, that people here are 'surprised' about drug use in our sport. I remember a 2-3 year period when I shifted from all stars to college cheer, became involved with 'summer staff' EP. Drinking to excess, drugs and sex are extremely prominent, almost celebrated! We think we are indestructible and are in our prime.

To be dead set honest, you can pull out a 2.30 min routine full out half tipsy, high or dead sober. When you get to that caliber, we don't have the saying 'if you don't have it by now, you don't have it'

What I'm getting at is mild use of all substances really don't take the biggest affect on you in the short term.

The threats of drug testing all athletes at college level has been around since 2004, my freshman year. Another HIGHLY reputable program denied a whole team attending nationals due to failed drug tests by a late portion of the team.

To the parents and coaches who are on here and shocked by this... Your senior age worlds athletes are exposed to a lot of this as well. And the block party incidents are nothing compared to what I've experienced at worlds. At least alcohol was legal.

 

[King]

Sorry but I don't think family secrets should apply in situations like this.

Family's don't always get to choose what those who passed away did.

 

[ACEDAD]

Family's don't always get to choose what those who passed away did.

I understand that. There are costs everyone pays when someone does something stupid. But that doesn't mean things should be hidden.

 

[King]

I understand that. There are costs everyone pays when someone does something stupid. But that doesn't mean things should be hidden.

Well, practically speaking, what would you actually hope to gain from hearing about people you don't know who went through this tragedy?

It seems you are more upset with the idea of a secret than actually wanting any information. I already gave out the most important part. Heroin is way more common than we ever thought.

 

[ACEDAD]

Well, practically speaking, what would you actually hope to gain from hearing about people you don't know who went through this tragedy?

It seems you are more upset with the idea of a secret than actually wanting any information. I already gave out the most important part. Heroin is way more common than we ever thought.

That's not it at all. I have no idea what information you have. What did you hope to gain by even hinting that you had "inside" information?

If it would help someone stay off or get off drugs then I think it should be shared even if it's embarrassing. If it won't then it seems to just be a little attention grabbing for even mentioning it.

 

[King]

That's not it at all. I have no idea what information you have. What did you hope to gain by even hinting that you had "inside" information?

If it would help someone stay off or get off drugs then I think it should be shared even if it's embarrassing. If it won't then it seems to just be a little attention grabbing for even mentioning it.

What inside information? Heroin is more common than people think. I would say it was inside if we weren't all talking about it. All I did was confirm that heroin is more common than people think by relation to a personal tragedy to a family I know. It was not cheer related and if it had relevance to the cheer community besides confirming that fact I would share. It be different if it was some counter point to what everyone else is saying. Instead it is confirming what is being said.

Eat a snickers ACEDAD. You're a bit angry when you are hungry.

 

[ACEDAD]

So "out of respect to the family" was referring to a family unrelated to the current event.

That's where I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought it was something related to this situation.

[munch, munch]. Sorry. I feel better.

 

[Official OWECheer]

And a simple Google search will show that it's a massive problem in Louisville.

London, Kentucky is also the #3 meth town in the nation... scary.

 

[Eyes On The Prize]

This is so sad to hear but she had to have know that this outcome could've happened. You don't mix drugs like that. (I mean, you just shouldn't do drugs to begin with but it's obviously too late for that talk...) I'm wondering if our drug education programs should start including what exactly each drug does, what drugs you should absolutely not mix, etc. I mean, obviously telling kids to not drink isn't going to do anything. Kids are going to drink anyways. Same with sex. Maybe changing the message to "You really really shouldn't do drugs, but if you do then here's what you need to know." There are a lot of things I have a problem with being taboo and having a stigma and drugs is really high up on that list. (Mental Health comes in at number one but that's another rant for another thread.) it's nice to see Louisville opening up conversation about it rather than trying to cover it up. I hope it can help a lot of people.

To the user who was wondering how many level 5 athletes are using drugs to enhance performance, I'm assuming more than would make you comfortable. At my school, I knew more kids with 3.9-4.0 GPAs that used Adderall than those who didn't. I don't know if it was the pressure of their programs, the amount of work, or whatever that made them feel like they needed it to do their work. These kids relied on it heavily. I should add that these kids did not have it prescribed to them either. It was quite alarming.

 

[Teacher Mom]

Coroner confirms cause of death for UofL cheerleader |
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This is so sad.

 

[UCFKnights07]

This is so sad to hear but she had to have know that this outcome could've happened. You don't mix drugs like that. (I mean, you just shouldn't do drugs to begin with but it's obviously too late for that talk...) I'm wondering if our drug education programs should start including what exactly each drug does, what drugs you should absolutely not mix, etc. I mean, obviously telling kids to not drink isn't going to do anything. Kids are going to drink anyways. Same with sex. Maybe changing the message to "You really really shouldn't do drugs, but if you do then here's what you need to know." There are a lot of things I have a problem with being taboo and having a stigma and drugs is really high up on that list. (Mental Health comes in at number one but that's another rant for another thread.) it's nice to see Louisville opening up conversation about it rather than trying to cover it up. I hope it can help a lot of people.

To the user who was wondering how many level 5 athletes are using drugs to enhance performance, I'm assuming more than would make you comfortable. At my school, I knew more kids with 3.9-4.0 GPAs that used Adderall than those who didn't. I don't know if it was the pressure of their programs, the amount of work, or whatever that made them feel like they needed it to do their work. These kids relied on it heavily. I should add that these kids did not have it prescribed to them either. It was quite alarming.

i think people in general would be shocked at how many kids use Adderall un prescribed. now a days you can buy it off the internet..... i know numerous people who do it. and not that they arent good people, cause they are. but the pressure to pass exams, etc can be immense for 90% of the people in college these days.

 

[Cheeranswers]

The only jaw-dropper was heroin...do you think something she smoked could have been laced with it?

Either that or she previously had an issue with painkillers (which isn't exactly unheard of in high-level sports) and then switched to heroin afterwards.

So sad. So preventable.

i think this is a very good point. i know we can't say for sure either way, but maybe we shouldn't assume she was intentionally/knowingly taking all these drugs? I know king said heroin is more common than we think and i do realize that, but she very well could have been smoking marijuana laced with heroin. she also very well could have just been on heroin. again, i don't know either way, but we could at least give her the benefit of the doubt!

 

[Eyes On The Prize]

i think people in general would be shocked at how many kids use Adderall un prescribed. now a days you can buy it off the internet..... i know numerous people who do it. and not that they arent good people, cause they are. but the pressure to pass exams, etc can be immense for 90% of the people in college these days.

100% agreed. I could easily assume that Adderall was one of the leading drugs abused at my school behind alcohol and maybe weed. It is super easy to get as far as drugs go and I feel like it was fairly inexpensive, though I can't speak from experience. But it was probably easier to get than weed. So many people at my school did it and unfortunately mixed it with other drugs like cocaine, weed, etc after nights of consecutive partying.