- Dec 14, 2009
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Read at your own risk because this thread will probably have spoilers. Let's discuss!
(I'm continuing here )
From what I interpreted, when Bran was in the vision thing with the Bloodraven/Brynden Rivers/the guy in the tree, he heard the yells from the people in the present and he heard Meera yelling for Hodor to help him. Sensing Hodor wasn't helping, Bran warged into Hodor while still in the vision and it was essentially Bran controlling Hodor to pick present-Bran up and get himself out.
But then something happened, like a glitch, while Bran was warging into present-Hodor and Willis started glitching in the past. It ultimately messed up his brain which is why 1. Willis kept confusing "Hold the door" with "Hodor" and 2. why Hodor "Hodor"-ed. I'm not sure if it was safe for Bran to be in a vision AND warg at the same time, especially when it concerns the same person.
I'm still a little torn on if I think Bran was still warged-in to Hodor while Hodor was holding the door or if he had warged-out by then and it was Hodor actually holding the door and not Bran as Hodor. We see Bran warg-in but I don't remember if we ever see Bran warg-out while they were running. Like did Bran use Hodor as a pawn to save himself? Or did Hodor do it on his own free will because that's what Hodor does and Hodor has no personal agenda in this show?
Ultimately Bran F's stuff up because he also essentially killed the Bloodraven and he brought the Night's King (head white walker) to them and maybe also broke the spells that protected the cave they were in that kept the white walkers and wights out of the cave.
I hope this makes sense!
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I'm still ever so slightly confused... so I understand where "hodor" came from but why was it the only thing adult Willis ever said? So Bran from the future traveled back in time before he was ever born into Willis' childhood and changed his life before he was ever born? Or am I over thinking it? It's too inception-y for me lol
Agreed about HBO having full creative liberty at this point. GRRM told them how it should end and they'll do whatever they please to get the plot there. I was 95% sure Jon was coming back, but my theory was he was Lyanna's son with Rhaegar (never a bastard at all) and Ned took him in. Because of the Targaryen blood I thought the Night's Watch would burn the body and he'd come back in the fire. Melisandre was my second choice. I still think he's Lyanna and Rhaegar's son, though, if Bran could hurry up in that flashback already because no doubt that scream in the tower was her.
ands maybe we do need a GOT thread lol
(I'm continuing here )
From what I interpreted, when Bran was in the vision thing with the Bloodraven/Brynden Rivers/the guy in the tree, he heard the yells from the people in the present and he heard Meera yelling for Hodor to help him. Sensing Hodor wasn't helping, Bran warged into Hodor while still in the vision and it was essentially Bran controlling Hodor to pick present-Bran up and get himself out.
But then something happened, like a glitch, while Bran was warging into present-Hodor and Willis started glitching in the past. It ultimately messed up his brain which is why 1. Willis kept confusing "Hold the door" with "Hodor" and 2. why Hodor "Hodor"-ed. I'm not sure if it was safe for Bran to be in a vision AND warg at the same time, especially when it concerns the same person.
I'm still a little torn on if I think Bran was still warged-in to Hodor while Hodor was holding the door or if he had warged-out by then and it was Hodor actually holding the door and not Bran as Hodor. We see Bran warg-in but I don't remember if we ever see Bran warg-out while they were running. Like did Bran use Hodor as a pawn to save himself? Or did Hodor do it on his own free will because that's what Hodor does and Hodor has no personal agenda in this show?
Ultimately Bran F's stuff up because he also essentially killed the Bloodraven and he brought the Night's King (head white walker) to them and maybe also broke the spells that protected the cave they were in that kept the white walkers and wights out of the cave.
I hope this makes sense!