All-Star Grand Unified Theory Of Cheerology

[King]

I do NOT like level crossing. I just don't agree with it. Unless an injury happens THAT day, with proof, and all teams in that division and the event producer approve it. Otherwise, stay within your own level. That is my firm belief. So grrrrrr right back at you mister!!!

a healthy compromise that allows flexibility so you can take a kid that day from a level up or down, and it is only a small percentage of your team seems a good fit. what is wrong with that?

 

[cheerinfo]

Small percentage or not...I am just not in favor of level crossing intentionally. As I stated above, if there were an emergency, and all teams and event producers approved, then ok. But I don't like it from the get go. I do believe crossovers are necessary in some capacity...but I don't like level crossing...at all ha. But hey...that's just me.

 

[NJ Coach]

Small percentage or not...I am just not in favor of level crossing intentionally. As I stated above, if there were an emergency, and all teams and event producers approved, then ok. But I don't like it from the get go. I do believe crossovers are necessary in some capacity...but I don't like level crossing...at all ha. But hey...that's just me.

The problem you run into is gyms that only have 1 team at each level. If level crossing was not allowed, they wouldn't be able to cross at all, which may impact their business. I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you, just stating a situation which could negatively impact gyms.

 

[BSS2000]

Can you further explain your opinion on this statement?

I think its pretty self explanatory. I think more times than not coaches get mad at kids for quitting their program for what ever reason. I don't think that same coach should have the power to stop a cheerleader from switching to another program. Why would someone give away talent and money to another gym if its their choice? I'm not saying this is every gym, but grudges between kids and ex gyms do exist. This is besides the fact that we pay money to cheer, we should have the right to walk out and cheer somewhere else at anytime.

 

[cheerinfo]

The problem you run into is gyms that only have 1 team at each level. If level crossing was not allowed, they wouldn't be able to cross at all, which may impact their business. I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with you, just stating a situation which could negatively impact gyms.

And I totally understand the argument from that angle. I just am of the belief that you go with what you have. either smaller teams or combine and have less teams. You may have some kids on a level they don't WANT, but that is part of building. I do not believe on building teams by using crossovers between levels. Not hating on people that favor it, I am just not one of those people is all.

 

[King]

And I totally understand the argument from that angle. I just am of the belief that you go with what you have. either smaller teams or combine and have less teams. You may have some kids on a level they don't WANT, but that is part of building. I do not believe on building teams by using crossovers between levels. Not hating on people that favor it, I am just not one of those people is all.

but the percentage is small enough you couldnt really build a team. just the flexibility to fix things if needed.

 

[cheerinfo]

We can go back and forth on this all day....fact is, my rule would be 5 or less per team, maximum of crossing to ONE other team, and stay within level. But my dream rule for this most likely will not be the reality of the situation. I see other standpoints...I just hate kids on one level crossing to another level from the get go. Sigh.

 

[tumbleyoda]

JMO but I feel those that have exploited the crossovers situation have made many to feel like there is no way it will ever be true level athletes competing against true level athletes unless there is a no crossover rule. Even if there are restrictions we have advocated inthis thread they would find a way to get around it.

 

[CGAcheer]

Here's my idea, and it could possibly be passed off of a clarification of the percentages in limiting crossovers.
a particular team may only have 20% or 25% from another particular team.

This would mean that your sr 3 team of 20 could have 4 or 5 from your Jr 4 and could also pull 4 or 5 from your Sr 2. and then you could still pull an emergency alternate from a team that isn't already maxed out the crossover percentage with that team

This would limit moving a lot of kids from one team down to another team, while allowing for emergency alternate situations

 

[Ashley]

I think its pretty self explanatory. I think more times than not coaches get mad at kids for quitting their program for what ever reason. I don't think that same coach should have the power to stop a cheerleader from switching to another program. Why would someone give away talent and money to another gym if its their choice? I'm not saying this is every gym, but grudges between kids and ex gyms do exist. This is besides the fact that we pay money to cheer, we should have the right to walk out and cheer somewhere else at anytime.

#5 would only affect kids who quit during competition season. If you join a gym and start competing with them, you've made a commitment to it. Every other sport has registration deadlines. You can't join a team midseason. This wouldn't affect athletes who quit during the summer or early fall. This would affect athletes who quit after a competition or two because they think the grass is greener somewhere else, and in the process screw over every other member of the team. I'm not saying that people shouldn't be able to switch programs - but not during comp season. If it's for a legitimate reason (moving, etc.) then a gym can release an athlete, but once you've made a commitment you should have to keep it.

 

[Rudags]

I think its pretty self explanatory. I think more times than not coaches get mad at kids for quitting their program for what ever reason. I don't think that same coach should have the power to stop a cheerleader from switching to another program. Why would someone give away talent and money to another gym if its their choice? I'm not saying this is every gym, but grudges between kids and ex gyms do exist. This is besides the fact that we pay money to cheer, we should have the right to walk out and cheer somewhere else at anytime.

I agree with you at some point. IMO, when you commit, you should finish. Example: I coached at a gym where I was MISERABLE, but I left at the END of the season, despite me wanting to leave immediatley. Also, as a coach - There are often several BEHIND THE SCENE things happening that make situations more sticky. Often when kids leave a gym, there is more to the story. If I had a kid leaving because they were moving - Easy - I would release them. If I had a kid that left my gym midseason to go to my competitor down the street - No - I would not release them.

I just this week had a level 5 athlete leave our program to go to another program because the other program offered them a scholarship. Nothing we did was wrong, other then we charged them our normal tuition and comp fees that other kids pay. If I had the choice - NO, I would not release this kid to cheer elsewhere for the season.

I understand the "we pay so we can do whatever we want" arguement - but it sounds like you are an athlete or parent. If you need to leave you gym midseason because you arent happy - You should have decided that in the summer or before the first competition. We start our "new season" in May and competitions start in November. You have May, June, July, August, September, October - Thats SIX MONTHS to decide if you like where you are at. How is 6 months with the same coaches, same teammates, etc not enough time to know if you can commit for the season?!

 

[newcheerdad]

If I had a kid leaving because they were moving - Easy - I would release them. If I had a kid that left my gym midseason to go to my competitor down the street - No - I would not release them.

I just this week had a level 5 athlete leave our program to go to another program because the other program offered them a scholarship. Nothing we did was wrong, other then we charged them our normal tuition and comp fees that other kids pay. If I had the choice - NO, I would not release this kid to cheer elsewhere for the season.

Are there gyms that have rules about leaving in mid-season to go to a local competitor?

 

[King]

Are there gyms that have rules about leaving in mid-season to go to a local competitor?

Usually the rule is: You burned your bridge.

 

[Ashley]

Are there gyms that have rules about leaving in mid-season to go to a local competitor?

I was on a team that had a "contract" but they never enforced it. It should be a rule, because that's a pretty sleezy move. Just finish out the season.

 

[Rudags]

Are there gyms that have rules about leaving in mid-season to go to a local competitor?

Im sure the Nor Cal alliance might have something? But no, as a gym, there is nothing we can do.