All-Star Cheersport Scoring Discussion - If You Just Complain Without Reason I Will Ban You For A Few Days

[King]

So while I don't completely understand how CheerSport arrives at what they score, I think I have figured out a bit more how they do it. Scoring at CheerSport seems to be very similar to gymnastics. If you compete an element it is worth X amount, let us say 19 points out of 20. If you compete it EXTREMELY well and clean it might be worth 19.5. If you compete it badly it is still worth 19 points (as long as you have the ratios) but then they take off on deductions. If the element that you compete, in CheerSport's eyes, is only a 19 in difficulty then you are probably going to get that 19 as long as your numbers and ratios match.

So, to some it up. You come into CheerSport with a routine that already has a point value basically. Out of 450 team X over here is doing a routine that scores a 430. If they execute it well they might get a 435. If they execute it badly BUT have no deductions they will get a 430. If they execute badly and have deductions just taking it off the 430.

Teams that are really talented might score low because the coaches putting together the routine missed a ratio somewhere. They can adjust from day one to day 2, but you can have SUCH a low score from day 1 you can't come back.

Thoughts.

 

[King]

Another thing to add (and while using level 5 to discuss this can be applied to all levels)

Let us use partner stunts for discussion. Team A does a stunt sequence that is just fullup, arabesque double down. In CheerSports compulsory style of rewarding difficulty that gets them a 20. Team B does double up, fullup, switch tock, ball x quadruple down from an inverted needle thing they will also get a 20.

Team B did all that extra work to not get any reward in stunts (may have in overall impression). But because it is more compulsory style, and not comparative, all that extra stunting was for naught.

 

[JessicaL]

CHEERSPORT does award for difficulty, based on percentages. What some spectators/fans forget (or just may not know based on knowledge of USASF guidelines) is that some of the bells and whistles we see (full ups, switch ups, etc.) add to variety but not difficulty. If a L5 team adds L4 skills to their partner stunts for variety, it is still not more difficult than true L5 skills performed. Same with all of the L3 teams that include a lot of L2 pyramid skills. While a skill/skills may be beautifully performed, it may still score lower than a competitor with bobbled or execution errors who has a higher level of difficulty.
Also, in regard to split divisions having different ranges between their respective panels, as long as the panels are consistent within their division and producing correct rankings while scoring within the appropriate range, they haven't done anything wrong. Complaining that "scores were low" while still saying the "right" team won makes no sense.

 

[King]

CHEERSPORT does award for difficulty, based on percentages. What some spectators/fans forget (or just may not know based on knowledge of USASF guidelines) is that some of the bells and whistles we see (full ups, switch ups, etc.) add to variety but not difficulty. If a L5 team adds L4 skills to their partner stunts for variety, it is still not more difficult than true L5 skills performed. Same with all of the L3 teams that include a lot of L2 pyramid skills. While a skill/skills may be beautifully performed, it may still score lower than a competitor with bobbled or execution errors who has a higher level of difficulty.
Also, in regard to split divisions having different ranges between their respective panels, as long as the panels are consistent within their division and producing correct rankings while scoring within the appropriate range, they haven't done anything wrong. Complaining that "scores were low" while still saying the "right" team won makes no sense.

is cheersport written CHEERSPORT or CheerSport or what? I dont like CHEERSPORT. Looks like we are screaming the name.

Good observations, btw.

 

[cheeeeer93]

The scoresheet also revolves around how many times you do something too, right?
So if team x does 2 sets of jumps to tuck and team y just does one, team x will have a higher jump score.

 

[King]

The scoresheet also revolves around how many times you do something too, right?
So if team x does 2 sets of jumps to tuck and team y just does one, team x will have a higher jump score.

From what I can tell, yes. BUT if 2 sets of jumps maxes out, then doing 3 sets of jumps gives you no extra reward. So the trick is finding out what maxes out and doing no more than that.
At CheerSport I dont think you can just throw together talent and out muscle people. You have to have a set plan that meets their requirements.

 

[JessicaL]

Another thing to add (and while using level 5 to discuss this can be applied to all levels)

Let us use partner stunts for discussion. Team A does a stunt sequence that is just fullup, arabesque double down. In CheerSports compulsory style of rewarding difficulty that gets them a 20. Team B does double up, fullup, switch tock, ball x quadruple down from an inverted needle thing they will also get a 20.

Team B did all that extra work to not get any reward in stunts (may have in overall impression). But because it is more compulsory style, and not comparative, all that extra stunting was for naught.

A team that performs more true L5 skills (ex. Inversions from extended position, etc.) should not receive the same score as a team with more L4 skills.

Side note... Love the "I will ban you for a few days" in regard to complaints!

 

[minbat4ever]

Agreed.

In my opinion, I believe that like gymnastics the system should allow for "bonus" points to be added to your score for competing and executing skills beyond the basic requirements.

The other option is to change the system so that in your example Team A and Team B do not both get 20 points for something that is clearly not the same.

I do truly believe that is part of the issue and that it is causing cheerleading to regress instead of progress. It already is happening and does not benefit the sport because teams that push the envelope are going to stop doing it because there is absolutely no reason to do it.

It makes for really boring routines and is taking the "WOW" factor and excitement out of the sport.

 

[cheeeeer93]

From what I can tell, yes. BUT if 2 sets of jumps maxes out, then doing 3 sets of jumps gives you no extra reward. So the trick is finding out what maxes out and doing no more than that.
At CheerSport I dont think you can just throw together talent and out muscle people. You have to have a set plan that meets their requirements.

Just another reason for a universal scoresheet..
I'm sure there are teams that will have to go change their routines this week to fit NCA's scoresheet compared to the Cheersport one

 

[JessicaL]

is cheersport written CHEERSPORT or CheerSport or what? I dont like CHEERSPORT. Looks like we are screaming the name.

Good observations, btw.

Sorry. It does and that's a pet peeve of mine. Any/all literature I've ever seen/received from them is written that way. I'll try not to yell anymore.

 

[JessicaL]

From what I can tell, yes. BUT if 2 sets of jumps maxes out, then doing 3 sets of jumps gives you no extra reward. So the trick is finding out what maxes out and doing no more than that.
At CheerSport I dont think you can just throw together talent and out muscle people. You have to have a set plan that meets their requirements.

Yes, yes, yes! It's all about playing to their grid.

 

[King]

You just have to design routines to fit both. Did we create a jump section that meets cheersports requirements as well as NCA's? Does our running tumbling have all the required number of fulls and show off the execution that NCA needs?

While I prefer NCA's, there are pieces to cheersports I like.

 

[StarshipTrooper]

You just have to design routines to fit both. Did we create a jump section that meets cheersports requirements as well as NCA's? Does our running tumbling have all the required number of fulls and show off the execution that NCA needs?

While I prefer NCA's, there are pieces to cheersports I like.

CheerSport I believe. Their scoring is improving, and with all the bids they should develop into quit the level 5 competition. Again, bad for you, I see it about how you are describing.

 

[King]

BIG PROPS to cheersport for rewarding coed style stunting. If you are a boy you should be holding your stunt, not doing group style. Why? because it is hard. In the next couple years I see this becoming a big push.

 

[King]

CheerSport I believe. Their scoring is improving, and with all the bids they should develop into quit the level 5 competition. Again, bad for you, I see it about how you are describing.

bad for mwah?