All-Star Cheersport Scoring Discussion - If You Just Complain Without Reason I Will Ban You For A Few Days

[StarshipTrooper]

bad for mwah?

In a good humored, light and refreshing kind of way. In this style, and sport, I wonder if the score sheet should be level specific?

 

[lifeoftheparty]

I welcome those days back.

BIG PROPS to cheersport for rewarding coed style stunting. If you are a boy you should be holding your stunt, not doing group style. Why? because it is hard. In the next couple years I see this becoming a big push.

 

[King]

I welcome those days back.

who doesnt?! you have your tumblers AND your stunters again.

 

[coach12]

I just remember a few years ago, when all these companies became varsity & were all supposed to use the varsity score sheet with maybe slight variations.......this is NOT the case at all. That's where it gets confusing and everyone starts complaining. All of these score sheets are getting harder and harder to understand. so much to keep up with.

 

[King]

So, I think here are the pros and cons of the scoresheet:

Pros:
Requirements of elements based on ratios to get in a range.
Compulsory based
Video review of deductions
The scoring style is the same for all levels (this is also a con, actuall).

Cons:
Lots of teams can max out certain categories.
50/50 scoring
Execution is a VERY small factor. There is little difference between 20 janky fulls and 20 beautiful fulls. There is a difference, but it is small.

Common mistake I am seeing on the scoresheet:
Overdoing categories. If a standing back tuck gets you 20 points, no point in doing 5 standing back tucks. You wont get more points
Misunderstanding what scores high in a category. I havent figured what does either.

Solution, I think CheerSport has the best solution for getting INTO a category for scoring. Once you are in the category, I think a NCA style for scoring makes more sense.

 

[SaraDee023]

Agreed.

In my opinion, I believe that like gymnastics the system should allow for "bonus" points to be added to your score for competing and executing skills beyond the basic requirements.

The other option is to change the system so that in your example Team A and Team B do not both get 20 points for something that is clearly not the same.

I do truly believe that is part of the issue and that it is causing cheerleading to regress instead of progress. It already is happening and does not benefit the sport because teams that push the envelope are going to stop doing it because there is absolutely no reason to do it.

It makes for really boring routines and is taking the "WOW" factor and excitement out of the sport.

i agree. i think the more u can do, the more talanted u are, which should mean higher score

 

[kristenthegreat]

I think a lot of people would be less confused if they watched that initial video of Kevin Brubaker (is that how you spell his last name?) having a video demonstration with a team and explaining how they would score (I posted it yesterday in the Cheersport Day 2 thread, towards the last 10 pages or so). It's a good basis for at least understanding the system, and it covers why I think a majority of people were upset with the scoring : If you are NOT competing within-level skills, you are adding nothing to your score. If in level 5 you have: layouts, running/standing to tucks, not-level-5 stunts/pyramid skills you're going to be missing out on a heapload of points. He also mentions on the video that certain basic elements will get you into the range, but to score higher you need more skills.

 

[CharlotteASMom]

It's CHEERSPORT.

 

[rvnblue]

You just have to design routines to fit both. Did we create a jump section that meets cheersports requirements as well as NCA's? Does our running tumbling have all the required number of fulls and show off the execution that NCA needs?

While I prefer NCA's, there are pieces to cheersports I like.

I wonder if this is kinda my theory of a good routine scoring well on any scoresheet?

 

[addict2cheer]

I don't think it matters which competitions you attend. If you're a level 5 team doing layouts, standing tucks, and full ups to 2 legged stunts, it's only hurting you. The only thing those level 4 elements do is wear the athletes out. I always say....you need to work SMARTER, not necessarily HARDER!!! Hit the ranges and MOVE ON! On that same note....once you "hit" and I mean REALLY "hit" a level appropriate skill, don't keep adding more level appropriate skills unless you know FOR SURE that you can nail them! When you do the math between difficulty and execution scores, you're always gonna get a better score if you hit your level appropriate skills clean! (now let me climb down from my soap box)

 

[HeatUniqueJ]

so does that mean cheersport does not necessarily support the ,,perfection before progression'' rule?

 

[JessicaL]

I think a lot of people would be less confused if they watched that initial video of Kevin Brubaker (is that how you spell his last name?) having a video demonstration with a team and explaining how they would score (I posted it yesterday in the Cheersport Day 2 thread, towards the last 10 pages or so). It's a good basis for at least understanding the system, and it covers why I think a majority of people were upset with the scoring : If you are NOT competing within-level skills, you are adding nothing to your score. If in level 5 you have: layouts, running/standing to tucks, not-level-5 stunts/pyramid skills you're going to be missing out on a heapload of points. He also mentions on the video that certain basic elements will get you into the range, but to score higher you need more skills.

Exactly. The video spells out how to max out the scoresheet. Totally worth the ten minutes it takes to watch it. Also, it was running all day long on Friday in registration! Suggesting the team/gym watches is a great idea!!!

 

[NJ Coach]

so does that mean cheersport does not necessarily support the ,,perfection before progression'' rule?

I wouldn't say that neccessarily. They are going to judge a full as a full...regardless of it being janky or not. A bent up full will lose a little as far as execution, but not as much as it would on other scoresheets. Just a different way of scoring.

 

[King]

It is that what wins Cheersport is not the same as what wins NCA. They are similar, but different.

 

[ACEDAD]

It is that what wins Cheersport is not the same as what wins NCA. They are similar, but different.

I like the differences. Eight years ago we were dealing with RULE differences. Having to change the way a flyer was held because it was legal one place and not another. It was dangerous and, if nothing else, at least NACCC and USASF helped us stop that.

But why can't there be differences from one event to another? If Georgia Tech goes to play football against Georgia, they have to have a specific game plan to try and win because Georgia does some things well, but not other things. But, if they go play Virginia Tech, they likely have to do some things differently. In both cases, the rules are exactly the same. One game might be a slugfest and a 14-10 game. The other might have athletes flying up and down the field and be 42-35.

Perhaps not an exact analogy, but vive le difference!