All-Star Usasf Major Changes

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Eric Little wrote : "Is Varsity going to pull the plug now on Bring It on: The Musical for being too theatrical?"

DEAD!

 

[kobegirl]

If you don't mind I may say something to this.
Gymnastics is in no way any safer than cheerleading, that's for sure, but it seems that as a whole, gymnastics coaches are more equipped to deal with the constant strain the sport is putting on a body. There are gymnastics gyms that push young bodies too hard, in some cases avoiding regular puberty all together, and there are some that allow puberty to run it's course, and deal with the consequences (generally if a gymnast goes through puberty and tries to do the same skills, they won't be able to, as they've learned to control a much smaller and different body). The long hours put in are beneficial if the child has a true passion for the sport. If the child wants to follow gymnastics through to it's highest level, the long, painstaking hours are necessary, however many people put their children in competitive gymnastics who are only wanting a recreational activity for them until they are tweens/teens, in which case it's rather harmful (although there is still quite a lot of time afterwards to rehabilitate the body)

Watching women's college gymnastics right now, as a matter of fact. I see a high percentage of wrapped ankles and, of course, girls tumbling with wrist guards. I KNOW gymnastics has a great deal of pulled muscles, torn ligaments, etc., and they go through proper skill progression and loads of conditioning

Annnnnnnnnddddd lots of makeup, bling, butt cheeks showing, and my favorite - BOWS (they def are under 3" haha)

How do gymnastics facilities get insurance? and right at this moment they were talking about the athlete's surgeries...

(don't worry, I'm ALL for coaches being certified and proper progression)

 

[chyeeaaa69]

Watching women's college gymnastics right now, as a matter of fact. I see a high percentage of wrapped ankles and, of course, girls tumbling with wrist guards. I KNOW gymnastics has a great deal of pulled muscles, torn ligaments, etc., and they go through proper skill progression and loads of conditioning

Annnnnnnnnddddd lots of makeup, bling, butt cheeks showing, and my favorite - BOWS (they def are under 3" haha)

How do gymnastics facilities get insurance? and right at this moment they were talking about the athlete's surgeries...

(don't worry, I'm ALL for coaches being certified and proper progression)

I don't know the specifics of the facility itself getting insurance, but I do know insurance was of HUGE importance at the gym I trained at/coached at. I don't have much experience with the behind-the-scenes of either cheer or gym, the last thing I wanted to do at 16 years old beginning coaching gym was try to involve myself in the business aspect, but I do know how important insurance was to the gym, and how often we were reminded of injury prevention, emergency plans in the case of an emergency, filling out incident reports, etc. etc.

 

[TheUltimateFan]

I don't know the specifics of the facility itself getting insurance, but I do know insurance was of HUGE importance at the gym I trained at/coached at. I don't have much experience with the behind-the-scenes of either cheer or gym, the last thing I wanted to do at 16 years old beginning coaching gym was try to involve myself in the business aspect, but I do know how important insurance was to the gym, and how often we were reminded of injury prevention, emergency plans in the case of an emergency, filling out incident reports, etc. etc.

So I want to get this straight in my head. We all know gyms have to pay for this liability insurance, and they have to pay for it year-round, for practices every day where athletes are learning new skills, pushing their limits.

But the EPs are whining that they can't afford the liability insurance for 1 or 2-day events scattered across the season. With cheerleaders executing skills they are somewhat (tongue-in-cheek) confident they can compete. That's the excuse for limiting tumbling.

Um. Yeah.

 

[MissBee]

There are only a few insurance carriers for gymnastics facilities. I'm not positive, but I believe you have to be a USAG Member Gym...or maybe there's a difference in premiums for member gyms vs non member gyms. Again, I can't be positive. Being a member gym requires certified coaches (USAG's coaching certification test is more involved, requires an 8 hour in person course and a written, closed book exam), and background checks on coaches.

 

[kykycheermom]

We Shall NOT Go Quietly Into the Night

this is my feeling on the whole ordeal.

 

[Born2Tumble]

Oh please, if they change the appearance and etiquette guidelines but leave the real issue (bottom age on seniors and tumbling) alone I will scream. I can get on board with the appearance stuff...whatever it doesn't hurt the sport. The bottom age on seniors will effectively take out some small gyms. If it was just Sr Restricted 5...okay. But to insist that every kid on your senior level 3 team be over 10? What they are asking gym owners to do is to exclude kids from the sport because they are "to advanced" or not advanced enough. Susie's parent's are going to high tail it for the nearest large gym that has a youth or junior 3 and probably take a majority of Susie's friends with them. Cheer parents can be vicious. Yes some will understand and be adults about it, taking their kids to another facility. But for every one of them there is a psycho behind them that will take it personally and try to take as many people with her as possible.
I can understand the concerns with tumbling but the way that it was "solved" is horrible. It would be akin to President Obama standing in front of Congress and saying, "I have decided to change x, y, and z! Don't like it? To bad." I don't like any governing body telling me what they think is best for me or my kid. You govern all star and I'll decided what she wears, what gym we go to, and who trains her.
Just to drop a little knowledge on the athletes screaming they'll go to gymnastics. Be prepared what you wish for. You will be doubling if not tripling your practice time. My cp was training 6-9 hours a week as a Preteam Level 3 (because you don't get to compete until your level 4 most places). When we moved to Texas...as a Level 4 competitive gymnast...20 HOURS A WEEK. They wanted her home schooled and doing 2 a days. Have a boyfriend? Forget it... Have a an "extra" activity you like to do? Drop it.... And what other posters have said is true also, you will be stripped down to your back handspring (if your lucky) and built back up. Now Power Tumbling and Acro may be different, and I believe that if kids do run for gymnastics that is the two areas they will be funneled into.
I still think USAG is gleefully rubbing their hands together in the corner waiting for this to all fall out. We have to many gold medalists that think we are pretty awesome and Amanda Borden herself just started an all star program of of her gym in AZ. What I personally think is happening is that they are trying to force the sport to look more like STUNT and A&T so parents can make the connection between All Star and what their kid can get a college scholarship in. Laugh all you want but we are one step away from long sleeve jerseys with numbers on the back.

You took the words right out of my mouth! I especially agree on the bottom line for Senior teams. We come from a small gym that doesnt have a bunch of youth and junior high level teams. So if you have an athlete younger then 10 who is exceptional they are forced to be left behind. I am sort of in that situation right now with my cp, however we will see what happens.!

 

[Cheer Observer]

I'm confused because people are prematurely rejoicing over the word "review" and mixing it up with "revoke." There is a possibility that theyll revisit their original decision just to appease everyone and end up not changing a single thing.

If they do, however, revoke what seems like decisions that have been in the making for a long time, I'm not sure how I'll feel about that either. On the one hand thousands of coaches and athletes will rejoice, but on the other, it will make the Usasf look like a bunch of wusses when theyre supposed to be our fearless leader!

Regardless of how I feel about this, the Usasf has put a lot of thought into these decisions and for them to back down this easily would send an awful message. I'm all for democracy and having a voice, but I also want leaders who have the best interests of their people in mind and stand by what they think is right.

I honestly don't know what is right because I see it from both sides....ahhhhh!

"The USASF has put a lot of thought into these decisions" Really? Based on what they proposed for rule changes it seemed as if they went WAY overboard and many changes appeared to be a knee jerk reaction to what they see as problems. How does the rule change that T-shirts need to be worn over uniforms as a cover up except for in warm up and practice areas seem to be a "well thought out decision? Now we will have The Uniform Police cruising the halls of our events? Not to mention their stance on "theatrical performance" regarding males and "image etiquette", do you really think that those decisions were well thought out? The theatrical performance part alone is offensive and borders on discrimination.
It will not surprise me at all to see them reverse course on the rules changes and I don't agree that it sends an awful message if they do. I can understand that you want leaders who have the best interest of their people in mind but good luck with that one, everyone has a agenda and those who don't are few and far between. I will settle for " we screwed up and we are sorry, so after further consideration we have decided against these rule changes for now so we can research these issues further" At the end of the day "getting it right" is all that matters and while I realize that "getting it right" is tough because you cannot please everyone I feel that these proposed rule changes have succeeded in upsetting a lot of people who are involved in this sport, many more are upset than happy about this so I say "DO THE RIGHT THING USASF and GET IT RIGHT "

 

[WorkToWin]

I really wish that BlueCat was allowed to talk about his personal views on these rules, especially the tumbling. It sucks not getting his input and ideas!

 

[ztaprincess]

I really wish that BlueCat was allowed to talk about his personal views on these rules, especially the tumbling. It sucks not getting his input and ideas!

It makes me wonder if Brad's opinion last night was more so just his individual opinion or that of the majority at Cheer Athletics.

 

[marissa.d]

We Shall NOT Go Quietly Into the Night

this is my feeling on the whole ordeal.

This reminded me of "Do not go gentle into that good night"
both of which fit perfectly right now

 

[WorkToWin]

It makes me wonder if Brad's opinion last night was more so just his individual opinion or that of the majority at Cheer Athletics.

Sorry if I am incorrect, but I would imagine the two of them talked about it at least... If I had to guess I would guess the majority of Cheer Athletics.

 

[Reallycoolcheermommy]

Cheerleading Rule Changes, March 2012 « Cheerleading Daily

Read it. What do you think?

This is what I personally think:
I appreciate her trying to "make sense" and justify this in a way to help people accept it in a way for them to move on.
My personal reason that I won't just accept that this is just one of those things in life that isn't fair but in the long run is best for the greater good is because of these three very simple and basic concepts:
1. The excuse that these exact tumbling moves are the cause of the majority of the cheer related tumbling injuries is NOT TRUE!

2. If we are TRULY going to address the most dangerous contributors to cheer injuries then we would need to drastically overhaul and ban most stunts and address collision risks during tumbling passes. (The statistical information out here isn't the best either though. A simple example is when my cp had to go to the ER at Children's hospital for a severe concussion from stunting, they reported it repeatedly as caused by tumbling even though we corrected them 3 times.)

3.The fact that they did not remove or address any stunting and that they didn't follow due process shows that the motivation isn't pure and is a facade for a personal agenda which is not just, "not fair" but potentially even more dangerous in the big picture of this sport.

If we really want to address these real issues of making this a more respected, legitament organized sport then we can't give into cop outs like, credentialing can't/won't be done correctly so we should just eliminate the difficult things all together. (To truly follow that logic we should immediately ban stunts since there are so many people that don't know how to teach stunting properly. You even showed that with your example of how many bases have their backs arched and or are using substantially smaller flyers to be get by.) I would rather fully support and be charged more to support implementing a strict and thourough credentialing and enforcement system rather than eliminate everything that could be dangerous if not taught properly. Can you imagine if we were to REALLY DO THAT.......either these teams would resemble a POP Warner type style look, perhaps with some type of soft padded head gear!?! or this sport would just die and go to strictly school cheer as everyone's only options.



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[Reallycoolcheermommy]

It makes me wonder if Brad's opinion last night was more so just his individual opinion or that of the majority at Cheer Athletics.

There are some positive good sportsmanship items that CA encourages in their own gym that could be interpreted into some of those mentioned in the guidelines but I personally don't assume that means they were fully supportive of everything the USASF came out with yesterday. I think that USASF was just trying to take note from them on how good sportsmanship is taught. (O, they also usually all wear t shirts over their uniforms before they preform but I think that's just a tradition that was started a long time ago. I personally think it adds to the excitement of seeing teams on the floor in a uniform you didn't see walking around earlier!)
Just my opinion.


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[travnation80]

IEP Responds to March 28, 2012 USASF Board of Directors Annoucement​

http://n1media1.files1.jamspiritsites.com/64539/3275392124f751e4af083c.pdf