All-Star New Rules Released Today?

[debbie]

I agree... but I would like to see statistics on people getting hurt on these skills. These are ELITE skills that as you said, .01% if I can quote you do. I have coached MANY one to doubles and a handful of standing doubles, full punch and double punch doubles. Out of all of those I have coached (looking at those skill sets only) I have not had anyone injured. I need to see statistics that this is what people are getting hurt on. If not, I feel it is irrelevant the % of people that have the skills.

Just because only a small % of people are affected by it, doesn't mean their voices aren't important.

shimmy shimmy shimmy

 

[lcheergirl]

Am I alone when I say, I think this was done by them to save the all mighty dollar at Worlds. Seems like they are very arrogant in their response and didn't address a lot of the issues. Like why they thought it was ok to make these rules in the first place. I think this was just a way to pacify us until they screw us again. Just my thoughts.

 

[JustCheer]

What would a major group of athletes doing this be? I think if its 10% that is too high of an injury rate.

Yes that would be a high injury rate - I am saying that if only a hand full of people are performing these skills and even less bein injured what was the cause for the rule change? It's such minuscule amount that it wouldn't be worth addressing IMO, they place emphasis on putting a glass ceiling on what we are able to perform instead of enforcing proper technique and progression.

-Will limiting one to double change the injury rate? I doubt it
-Does it make or sport safer? Not really
-Are there more dire issues to be addressed? Yes

 

[Luvmy4kids]

For the bottom senior age: Do they have to be 10 by April 1st or is it the end of April?

I believe they have to be 10 by August 31st.

 

[laughAlittle]

Just because only a small % of people are affected by it, doesn't mean their voices aren't important.

kingston , what do you have to say about this? you were 100% against it in the HS thread.

 

[CoachDerek]

I would have liked to see them take on more controversial rules, like the waiver rule and lack of appeals process then go after skills that will bury you if you cant do them properly.

 

[Rudags]

Yes that would be a high injury rate - I am saying that if only a hand full of people are performing these skills and even less bein injured what was the cause for the rule change? It's such minuscule amount that it wouldn't be worth addressing IMO, they place emphasis on putting a glass ceiling on what we are able to perform instead of enforcing proper technique and progression.

-Will limiting one to double change the injury rate? I doubt it
-Does it make or sport safer? Not really
-Are there more dire issues to be addressed? Yes

Furthermore... Athletes doing one to doubles and double doubles are more than likely to be conditioned more than the girl who has a full and is doing a double for the first time.

 

[King]

kingston , what do you have to say about this? you were 100% against it in the HS thread.

HS thread?

 

[RaRaMama]

So does this mean I can encourage my 5 year old son to shimmy? Or is he supposed to flex his muscles?:help:

 

[CoachDerek]

I think that if they were concerned about athlete safety first and foremost they would require physicals for all athletes? How do we know these athletes should have been on the floor to begin with?

 

[munchkinmom]

As a community, we have been unable to locate reports of these skills causing catastrophic ("waiver" injuries - death, paralysis, TBIs) injuries in all-star cheer. Major injuries (broken bones, ACL tears, etc.) occur everywhere in our society. As a society, we do not regulate to eliminate major injuries, we regulate to eliminate catastrophic injuries. Limiting elite skills limits growth in the sport/activity.

imrichhowboutu show me the catastrophic injury and I'll consider the argument. The scientific studies support the spring floor being an adequate surface, the skills are not unreasonable to perform (there are a number of athletes in and out of cheer that can complete them). Everything I've seen point to it's a coaching issue, not a skill issue. We have laws saying children must ride a bicycle with a helmet - intended to prevent a TBI, the laws do not say they must be supervised by an adult/ride on the sidewalk/not cross streets on the bicycle/etc to prevent them from breaking their arm when they fall/get hit.

 

[JustCheer]

Furthermore... Athletes doing one to doubles and double doubles are more than likely to be conditioned more than the girl who has a full and is doing a double for the first time.

Agreed, if anything reinforce proper layouts in level 4 and toes completing a 360 degree rotation and not piking over.

Obviously if you are performing a bounding twisting skill you didn't wake up saying "hey I have a double, I'm just going to double out of it!"

It's just attacking the wrong beast

 

[KRECCheer]

So does this mean I can encourage my 5 year old son to shimmy? Or is he supposed to flex his muscles?:help:

He told me personally he wanted to shimmy because Jack already flexes.

 

[The Sixth]

Think you could read it this way, but if you look at what is under review in the previous section - that includes whips - so I take it as "bounding & twisting" into a double is not allowed, but they will continue to look at whip doubles.

After pointing that out, and reading it several times, I'm inclined to agree with you. But I still stand by my previous comment.

 

[Rudags]

Agreed, if anything reinforce proper layouts in level 4 and toes completing a 360 degree rotation and not piking over.

Obviously if you are performing a bounding twisting skill you didn't wake up saying "hey I have a double, I'm just going to double out of it!"

It's just attacking the wrong beast

Perfect point. It goes even deeper. Are tumblers taught to finish their BHS's with their arms to get a set? Or do they whip their tuck over being progressed to fast, which makes their layout whipped, which gives janky fulls. It starts at the bottom, and gets worse through the top.