All-Star New Rules Released Today?

[Rudags]

Perfect point. It goes even deeper. Are tumblers taught to finish their BHS's with their arms to get a set? Or do they whip their tuck over being progressed to fast, which makes their layout whipped, which gives janky fulls. It starts at the bottom, and gets worse through the top.

And if you can't teach a proper BHS... Why are you coaching doubles anyway?

 

[Bystander]

True!! if it only hurts such a small percentage whats the big deal about the change? In fact it affects EVERY athlete that ever hoped to throw those skills. Another point if it was such an urgent matter of safety why change it from the initial rule made up?? I mean Mr Chadwick compared their emergency action to that of the NFL and their action in regards to concussions! Although the NFL had mounds of evidence to present to the NFL players assc. before the started to change rules! Last question is how many of the board members listed actually have voting rights??? is it every one or not? I have a feeling it is NOT all those listed! and can someone list the parent compaines of the EPs listed as board member? I think the boards voting can be controlled by varsity Jambrand and cheersport.

 

[JustCheer]

Quoted from the USASF:

"When particular skills are deemed to be unsafe for the vast number of athletes involved in our sport, rules and restrictions need to be created."

That being said it is not required to do bounding twists into doubles, or one to doubles to max out, these skills add to the awe factor/ overall affect, so I don't see why it was an issue to be addressed.

The "push to advanced elite skills " is pushed by incompetent coaching NOT by the IEP nor USASF, again I har seem no evidence nor logical reason to limit them.

imrichhowboutu
What do you say to that?

 

[laughAlittle]

HS thread?

high school thread, you mentioned it when debating about rules for high school.

 

[yojaehs]

I agree... but I would like to see statistics on people getting hurt on these skills. These are ELITE skills that as you said, .01% if I can quote you do. I have coached MANY one to doubles and a handful of standing doubles, full punch and double punch doubles. Out of all of those I have coached (looking at those skill sets only) I have not had anyone injured. I need to see statistics that this is what people are getting hurt on. If not, I feel it is irrelevant the % of people that have the skills.

Just because only a small % of people are affected by it, doesn't mean their voices aren't important.

And on top of the the rules STILL say "U dee review for 2013-2014! Please coaches get it together and learn how to coach!! Also I would like to know what their "review" will consist of!!!

 

[imrichhowboutu]

Quoted from the USASF:

"When particular skills are deemed to be unsafe for the vast number of athletes involved in our sport, rules and restrictions need to be created."

That being said it is not required to do bounding twists into doubles, or one to doubles to max out, these skills add to the awe factor/ overall affect, so I don't see why it was an issue to be addressed.

The "push to advanced elite skills " is pushed by incompetent coaching NOT by the IEP nor USASF, again I har seem no evidence nor logical reason to limit them.

imrichhowboutu
What do you say to that?

I have said multiple times that I think this is a stepping stone to a true coaching certification to ensure that all coaches are teaching things properly. You can't have coaches teaching whatever they want when there is no process in place to manage it.

 

[cheercurl]

And on top of the the rules STILL say "U dee review for 2013-2014! Please coaches get it together and learn how to coach!! Also I would like to know what their "review" will consist of!!!

It is the "review" word that is troubling to me too...

 

[ztaprincess]

Im so confused. Is a one to double really causing injuries? Its a solid progression to get to it that ANYONE probably teaches, even poor coaches. Three to Double, Two to Double, One to Double.

Debbie Love said that the proposal she was coming up with for the next rule change was to eliminate standing doubles and one to doubles. I would think that if Debbie thought it should be eliminated then there is probably good reason.

As for the new rules, I can live with them. I hope that the no standing fulls thing that is under reivew goes away and they don't take them away for the following season.
I like that they are still going to change the international age grid but do it slowly. Does anyone know if the international teams who are already have their bid are still going to be able to use the 14 year olds like they said in the last change? I hope that they make it so that ALL teams having to follow this guideline and not just US teams.

Also when that first set came out Jamie Parrish said that he would no longer participate in the NACCC and was canceling his trip to Doral, does anyone know if he participated in coming up with these new proposals or if he really walked away from it?

 

[Mom Jeans]

No Point in ever going to Worlds again.....borrinngggg.

On a safety note you will still have scary tumbling, maybe even more

 

[JustCheer]

I have said multiple times that I think this is a stepping stone to a true coaching certification to ensure that all coaches are teaching things properly. You can't have coaches teaching whatever they want when there is no process in place to manage it.

So by your logic ...taking a skill away = coaches becoming more qualified? I don't see the connection.

If the issue is truly to make coaches more qualified, require credentials to be more extreme at the elite level. That would be a more direct route.

 

[mstealtoyou]

Someone must realize that they wouldn't have come under so much fire if they had provided us with their "data" ... yet I still don't see it. Three cheers for transparency!

And I would like to see equal "data" for all level's. Not just level 5.

 

[King]

high school thread, you mentioned it when debating about rules for high school.

I am lost at your question as I am not following what you are asking. Can you restate it?

 

[Seeker30]

yeah i dont think they changed the other rules. considering they didnt put it on here were stuck with the image usasf wants.

 

[imrichhowboutu]

So by your logic ...taking a skill away = coaches becoming more qualified? I don't see the connection.

If the issue is truly to make coaches more qualified, require credentials to be more extreme at the elite level. That would be a more direct route.

And while they are working on that program, do you allow whatever coaches feel they are qualified to teach these skills? NO. you limit it so they aren't being taught until you can certify they will be taught correctly.

 

[Mom Jeans]

How does that "Occupy" Shirt sound now?