All-Star A Night With The Popes.

[ufomom]

It would be one thing to discuss what happened at Cheersport. It is another thing to write a poison pen blog purporting ugly rumors about someone's personal life. I am all for discussing what happened on the floor at Cheersport with teams of athletes as to whether they were following the rules. The rules are fine to discuss. The rest was appalling and disgusting. Who ever wrote it needs to seek therapy ASAP and a lawyer because I hope a lawsuit is coming their way. There is no such thing as truly anonymous on the internet.

By the way, I believe re-posting crap is the same as writing it. It is disgraceful.

 

[StarshipTrooper]

I wish I had seen this prior to my post, and I waited 24 hours to post intentionally. If this is the case, then I feel a lot differently, and the cheersport reps should come forward and accept responsibility. It would also help if USASF would make a statement once the fine was assessed. I do think, however, if an unknown gym did this people would still be upset. I don't think the rest of the mess would have gone with it though.

I have no problem with what you said. IF I want to proclaim myself judge and jury, they were both wrong but I would not call it blatantly cheating. Now I agree with UFOMOM on the rest of it, and I have given the circumstances of the registration and have nothing more to add.

 

[njallday]

StarshipTrooper thank you for the complete, unbiased truth of what actually happened. much appreciated.

 

[tumbleyoda]

I have no problem with your post.

I guess one would have to assume that she was blatantly cheating, and nothing in the facts suggest that and I suggest that a team from an unkown gym that had a similar occurance would never be subjected to the public lynching she received this weekend in social media..

Now, I can tell you these facts substantiated by others in the room not associated with CEA. This young girl was a add on to another JR team short notice due to an athlete withdrawing. Courtney requested at registration to change the team to exhibition due to already being on 2 youth teams and a junior team and competing and was told by the senior staff member not to change them. She was told not to do that as there would be no problem due to the lack of competition in one division she was in and the senior staff member present wanted to keep the division open with a competing team for PR reasons. Those are the facts. Factually did the child compete with 4 teams? Absolutely. Was she blatantly cheating? I guess that depends on your perception and conclusions. Did she deserve to have that blog spread along the social media? Emphatically no. Ask the people at CheerSport for their story.

If this happened exactly verbatim with zero deviation as you described then there should be a response from CheerSport as to why they allowed this to happen. However this also seems a bit "shortsighted" that she would allow you and her program to be placed in this position in the first place, knowing that accusations of cheating are leveled at this program almost yearly - whether true or not becomes is irrelevant. When you know folks are watching your every move you have to be that more considerate of your actions - a pain in the neck to be sure but a price to pay for the fame bestowed and the publicity sought for the program.

Would I call what you described blatant cheating? No. Would I call it breaking the rules even if with EP approval? Yes. Do I believe a lesser known or powerful program could of gotten away with the same thing? No way at all. Would they of received a greater penalty? I believe so.

 

[gymrat12]

I just don't understand why out of 9.76 billion CEA athletes (that may be a teeny bit of an exaggeration) there was only 1 suitable to fill a void. As coaches we have all been there, needing a sub last minute, and I know I can get cranky when my first, second or even third choice is not a "legal" choice but I suck it up and realize it's cheerleading and the world doesn't always work the way I want it to. Never would I have ever thought "hmm.. I'll just ask and just maybe they will cater to my needs". This isn't directly just about this situation as I would be willing to bet my next pay check there there's a lot more "rule bending" than anyone would care to own up to by programs and EP's everywhere.

 

[StarshipTrooper]

I just don't understand why out of 9.76 billion CEA athletes (that may be a teeny bit of an exaggeration) there was only 1 suitable to fill a void. As coaches we have all been there, needing a sub last minute, and I know I can get cranky when my first, second or even third choice is not a "legal" choice but I suck it up and realize it's cheerleading and the world doesn't always work the way I want it to. Never would I have ever thought "hmm.. I'll just ask and just maybe they will cater to my needs". This isn't directly just about this situation as I would be willing to bet my next pay check there there's a lot more "rule bending" than anyone would care to own up to by programs and EP's everywhere.

I'm going to answer this, and apparently whatever I feel like answering. These 2 youth teams were going to be combined into 1 for NCA from Raleigh and K-vill. This girl was going to fly on the team she was on and on the team that lost a member and was going to be on the combined team. She wanted to practice with her on the new team to develop a stunt group. She TRIED to register them as exhibition and was told not to by the staff. She made a mistake. I think we all agree that these mistakes are not going to happen again.

 

[gymrat12]

I'm going to answer this, and apparently whatever I feel like answering. These 2 junior teams were going to be combined into 1 for NCA from Raleigh and K-vill. This girl was going to fly on the team she was on and on the team that lost a member and was going to be on the combined team. She wanted to practice with her on the new team to develop a stunt group. She TRIED to register them as exhibition and was told not to by the staff. She made a mistake. I think we all agree that these mistakes are not going to happen again.

Thank you for answering and clearing things up... and like I said I wasn't meaning to make the statement strictly against CEA, just primarily asking a general question with them as the example. If memory serves me correctly there was a similar issue at a Cheer Power nationals years ago, back when an athlete could not compete up or down more than 2 levels. A claim was filed along with the $500 fee but CP came back only to announce that the team in question had "special permission". It's just frustrating knowing your parents are shelling out hundreds of dollars a year and for what?... shady behind the scenes conversations and agreements? It get's aggravating!

 

[Rudags]

I would be interested in what CHEERSPORT has to say as well.

 

[CEADAD05]

Okay with all due respect to Starship Trooper ...Who by the way thanks for trying to shed light on this . I have until recently only been a reader not a poster but after this weekends events I registered and now I guess I am able to post . So this is the deal my daughter was on four teams last year ( it was going to be three ) but after the two Youth Elites were so good last year the plan to combine them into one was scratched and therefore they kept them seperate the entire season . Now there were only a couple of competitions that all four teams went to together . A week or so before Cheersport a alternate was put on YE Kville to replace my daughter ( because YE Kville was going to Dallas and also they were going to register at Cheersport as Youth Restricted ) and exibition YE Raleigh had direct competition and this was going to be this teams BIG one for the season . When we arrived at Cheersport we fully expected to only do three teams ( Now my daughter wanted to take the floor with YE Kville since they were going to Dallas the next week) . To our surprise and happiness Courtney presented this to Cheersport who said go ahead since the fourth team is only exibition ( on a side note in the Youth Restricted division the team threw about 19 double fulls ) it was really a tune up for Dallas . Also they were not penalized for throwing all the doubles because again the upfront agreement was exibition anyway . So she was listed on all four rosters not trying to hide anything . This is a long one so I will stop here and answer anything I can in a seperate post.

 

[Cheerforme]

I seem to recall CEA being accused of some similar issues with multi rostering kids and behind the scenes dealing at battle of the capital last year...it is unfortunate that this type of thing keeps happening huh? These "mistakes" keep coming up...I agree with gymrat "aggravating" when others play by the rules. I assume that "special permission" means the gym owner threateneed to never come back and take all her entry fees with her...which adds to the aggravation!

 

[StarshipTrooper]

Okay with all due respect to Starship Trooper ...Who by the way thanks for trying to shed light on this . I have until recently only been a reader not a poster but after this weekends events I registered and now I guess I am able to post . So this is the deal my daughter was on four teams last year ( it was going to be three ) but after the two Youth Elites were so good last year the plan to combine them into one was scratched and therefore they kept them seperate the entire season . Now there were only a couple of competitions that all four teams went to together . A week or so before Cheersport a alternate was put on YE Kville to replace my daughter ( because YE Kville was going to Dallas and also they were going to register at Cheersport as Youth Restricted ) and exibition YE Raleigh had direct competition and this was going to be this teams BIG one for the season . When we arrived at Cheersport we fully expected to only do three teams ( Now my daughter wanted to take the floor with YE Kville since they were going to Dallas the next week) . To our surprise and happiness Courtney presented this to Cheersport who said go ahead since the fourth team is only exibition ( on a side note in the Youth Restricted division the team threw about 19 double fulls ) it was really a tune up for Dallas . Also they were not penalized for throwing all the doubles because again the upfront agreement was exibition anyway . So she was listed on all four rosters not trying to hide anything . This is a long one so I will stop here and answer anything I can in a seperate post.

I defer to you, I was listening to multiple conversations and put it together from those over dinner.

 

[cheercurl]

I don't know the exact issue or circumstances. If they broke the rule...they will have to pay. But it does make a difference to me how it happened, who was involved and how it came about. It will effect how I still feel about the character and integrity of a gym and a person.

I got a ticket for running a red light...I paid it because I ran the red light, it was right there in the picture. What that picture didn't tell are the circumstances behind it. I pulled into the intersection as soon as it turned green directly behind another vehicle who decided he was going to make an illegal left turn. I was stuck behind him while he waited to make a left on a busy road he had no business making a left on. He got through right before the light changed red and I followed because I was in the middle of the intersection and had no choice. I may not made a good choice by moving to the middle of the intersection but I thought he was going to follow the rules too. All that picture showed was me running the red light.

Sometimes there are circumstances that you can't see or understand but that doesn't mean they aren't valid...it also doesn't mean that you get a free pass. You pay the consequence and traverse a little more carefully. So "Blatantly" cheating is in the eye of the beholder....​

 

[Bystander]

Okay with all due respect to Starship Trooper ...Who by the way thanks for trying to shed light on this . I have until recently only been a reader not a poster but after this weekends events I registered and now I guess I am able to post . So this is the deal my daughter was on four teams last year ( it was going to be three ) but after the two Youth Elites were so good last year the plan to combine them into one was scratched and therefore they kept them seperate the entire season . Now there were only a couple of competitions that all four teams went to together . A week or so before Cheersport a alternate was put on YE Kville to replace my daughter ( because YE Kville was going to Dallas and also they were going to register at Cheersport as Youth Restricted ) and exibition YE Raleigh had direct competition and this was going to be this teams BIG one for the season . When we arrived at Cheersport we fully expected to only do three teams ( Now my daughter wanted to take the floor with YE Kville since they were going to Dallas the next week) . To our surprise and happiness Courtney presented this to Cheersport who said go ahead since the fourth team is only exibition ( on a side note in the Youth Restricted division the team threw about 19 double fulls ) it was really a tune up for Dallas . Also they were not penalized for throwing all the doubles because again the upfront agreement was exibition anyway . So she was listed on all four rosters not trying to hide anything . This is a long one so I will stop here and answer anything I can in a seperate post.

Did she compete on four teams at the spirt sports comp also? Battle at the beach?

 

[quitthedrama]

Okay with all due respect to Starship Trooper ...Who by the way thanks for trying to shed light on this . I have until recently only been a reader not a poster but after this weekends events I registered and now I guess I am able to post . So this is the deal my daughter was on four teams last year ( it was going to be three ) but after the two Youth Elites were so good last year the plan to combine them into one was scratched and therefore they kept them seperate the entire season . Now there were only a couple of competitions that all four teams went to together . A week or so before Cheersport a alternate was put on YE Kville to replace my daughter ( because YE Kville was going to Dallas and also they were going to register at Cheersport as Youth Restricted ) and exibition YE Raleigh had direct competition and this was going to be this teams BIG one for the season . When we arrived at Cheersport we fully expected to only do three teams ( Now my daughter wanted to take the floor with YE Kville since they were going to Dallas the next week) . To our surprise and happiness Courtney presented this to Cheersport who said go ahead since the fourth team is only exibition ( on a side note in the Youth Restricted division the team threw about 19 double fulls ) it was really a tune up for Dallas . Also they were not penalized for throwing all the doubles because again the upfront agreement was exibition anyway . So she was listed on all four rosters not trying to hide anything . This is a long one so I will stop here and answer anything I can in a seperate post.

Was your daughter able to compete on all four teams at the other events???? Also you mention your competition threw double fulls in the youth restricted division. The results show CEA competed in the youth restricted division by themselves. The other team in the regular youth 5 division was Cheer Athletics. Please dont bring them into this....unfortunately the more this situation gets explained the more questions I have.

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[Hodiestoe]

I'm going to get blasted here, but reading both StarshipTrooper and CEADAD05 account I really can't attack CEA for what they did. All I see is a coach who is looking out for her athletes and wanting to do the best by them. CheerSport, the authority on the day, gave the go ahead for this girl to compete on 4 teams, given that one was an exhibition. In my eyes I'm wondering 'what the hell has happened to CheerSport? Have they been penalised? Have they been reprimanded?' I think the greater fault lies with them. Yes there is the argument that CEA knew what they were doing but CheerSport is the higher authority and they gave the go ahead and for me that is where the problem lies.