All-Star Ruby Slipper Full Up Grip

[WinstonsGirl]

Ok so I think I know why I was confused. Kenny comes to our gym often to work with us and said it's the usual grip. I think this picture is the half up grip not the full up grip now that I look at it. This is the grip we used for half ups and the crossed feet one was the one we used for full ups.


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If you're talking about the picture with the red Toms, it is the full up grip. You can also do crossed feet for full ups, but that photo shows the full up grip the way it's taught by Spring. You can also use it for half ups too, though I can't remember if the hand placement is slightly different for the bases. But the feet start in the same T position

 

[AndyT_T]

All a matter of what classifies the movement? I know originally some UCA college people I know didn't like the Allstar double ups. They believed it had to be released and the bases feet planted to count. Allstar seems to believe as long as you can finish the movement in two counts it counts.


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Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that until recently it was illegal to do two rotation in a release and that's why ICE made the double up grip pretty much everyone uses nowadays.

 

[AndyT_T]

CP learned double ups the old way and recently learned them with this new grip. She says the new grip is easier. They have also learned how to do 1.5 ups with the new grip. Don't know if they will use the new grip or not. It did look "cleaner" to me using the traditional grip. How often was the new grip seen at comps last year do you think?

How do you double up with this grip?

 

[King]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that until recently it was illegal to do two rotation in a release and that's why ICE made the double up grip pretty much everyone uses nowadays.

Not that I know of. ICE did it without releasing because, to me, it is a much smarter and easier way that gets the same score. The double up technique is now everywhere.

 

[DancerDude0118]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that until recently it was illegal to do two rotation in a release and that's why ICE made the double up grip pretty much everyone uses nowadays.

So would the following stunt be illegal then?

 

[luv2cheer92]

So would the following stunt be illegal then?

That's legal in level 5

 

[TheDivineCheerYaYaSecret]

How do you double up with this grip?

I'm not sure. It wasn't a toss up like the Vine above. I suppose they start with the new grip and then it flows into the traditional double up method? I'm not a coach and when I cheered we didn't do this stuff. CP is a flyer and a base but I'm not sure if they have done it yet with the team she bases on. I'll have to ask her. I'll let you know.

 

[TheVipersMom]

I just want to say how smart y'all are...
Yesterday because I wanted to really see the differences in our routines and if the change y'all mentioned made sense.
I went and watched more old videos
Two seasons ago our j4 did not cross there legs in any of them in the stunt or pyramid




But this past season they did.




Although I could not tell the difference immediately I do see how the crossed legs makes it spin a little faster and maybe just because the team they did it crossing legs was smaller I did think it looked more controlled. Like when it stopped it stopped .. Not sure if that makes sense lol.

So I actually don't mind the crossed legs but can see how it makes it easier. The new grip that's referenced here though is super confusing I'll have to wait till I see that video but I just want to say thanks to everyone who gave me a nice lesson yesterday on full ups and stuff



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[Kelli Nicole]

Ok guys I love learning about cheer for my daughter but I'm not as up on stunting as I am tumbling.

I don't think I ever seen a full up the feet weren't crossed in?

Unless this is one

It's at like 1:02. But is that still called a full up?? Because well they are already up??

Every time I see them from the squish or whatever the feet are crossed. People can do them from squish without crossing their feet?? I haven't seen it can someone show me.

And also tell me if what I posted is a full up lol



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At 1:10 you can see the group front left that does it from a squish without crossing the legs.

 

[AliciaM]

Oh weird. Spring has never shown is this grip for full ups without crossing the feet.


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[Official OWECheer]

I like the old grip. A lot of the teams I see using the cross-legged grip don't have very good technique.

 

[Nvdw]

Okay so if I read all this, I'm kind of confused when people say 'traditional double up'. Is that the tossing one then? Because I don't think I've ever seen a double up without feet crossed. Maybe because not a lot of teams in my country do double ups yet.
Can someone maybe explain me how the traditional double up works? (Assuming it's the same principle as the traditional full op, so no feet crossed)
Sorry if I don't make sense at all haha the traditional and new things are kind of confusing...


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[cheernerd5678]

One of the groups on my HS team was struggling with full ups (the two bases have only ever flown and the flyer never cheered before) so my coach came up with another variation on the cross leg grip. Sometimes you have to do what you have to do...
The backspot starts in the main base spot, the main starts like a front spot, and the secondary base is normal.
The flyer hops in with hands on shoulders of back and secondary and crosses legs left over right.
The main grabs the toe of the right foot from the front, spins, and has to do a quarter turn to get to their spot.
The backspot never loses contact b/c they can reach around and grab right ankle and throw with their left hand.
The secondary doesn't change anything.
I'm not sure why it works better for them, but for whatever reason it does? I don't think you can even tell a difference from the normal cross leg way if you aren't looking for it. I don't know why people have a problem with new grips that make things more solid. Sure, calling a half up a full up b/c you walk in a circle is sketch to me, but the cross leg vs "traditional" full up disagreement makes no sense to me. It's just a more solid way to do the same stunt.
You can kind of see it in this video - both left groups do it but you can see it better with the back group b/c there's an extra person standing in front of the other one.


eta @Nvdw we learned double ups at NCA camp and I wouldn't say feet were crossed, so I'm not even sure how the crossed feet way works!

 

[AScheer]

During my school teams practice last night I took a couple of groups aside to work this new grip. Each group only did it about 3 or 4 times and they hit all but the first one. We we're doing them to immediate libs. The comment each of them made was "its so easy!" This is a team that is still very much in struggle bus mode on a full up! I still don't see us ever using this grip unless we are doing 1 and a half ups or double ups. For just a full up it doesn't look like a full up, it looks like a half up.

 

[Kelli Nicole]

Okay so if I read all this, I'm kind of confused when people say 'traditional double up'. Is that the tossing one then? Because I don't think I've ever seen a double up without feet crossed. Maybe because not a lot of teams in my country do double ups yet.
Can someone maybe explain me how the traditional double up works? (Assuming it's the same principle as the traditional full op, so no feet crossed)
Sorry if I don't make sense at all haha the traditional and new things are kind of confusing...


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The flyer is completely released and spins the 2 rotations by themselves, bases remain stationary in the "traditional" double up, same grip as a traditional full up.