All-Star October Update To Varsity Scoring System

ASCheerMan said:

You are correct in that all-girl unassisted rewinds are not rewarded here. Probably worth revisiting.

I can't speak for any brand other than NCA, but we are converting L6 scores to 100% when considering World Bids. L6 All Girl Total Possible will be out of 102, while coed is 103. This will level the playing field, addressing most of you r concern.

L6 teams will also be excited to know we aren't just designating 2 bids for L6 as we normally have. Once converted to 100 scale, L6 teams are eligible for all 24 At-Large bids.

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Thank you! That will be great if that is how all the brands are doing it

Ashley said:

So if you are Cheyenne, it's like getting bonus points! Better perfect that rewind!

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One Girl Doing a Rewind, still wont get the job done. Technically on a team of 24, in order to hit the collegiate range, you must use the maximum amount of stunts possible, so you would have to do 8 unassisted rewinds, other inversion ups, or full ups to immediate body position. What is somewhat crazy about this, is this is the only level that REQUIRES Elite Unassisted Stunts, so because it follows the rest of the other level score sheets, if you do unassisted stunts, you only require one spotter, therefore an open coed 6 team would have to 8 Stunts (8 x 3 = 24) No one would have came close to maxing out on this last year, T & S only did 7 Stunts, and Cheer Athletics only did 7 as well. Now, T & S did do 9 unassisted High to High tick Tocks, which I consider Collegiate, but this score sheet doesn't directly say it except for possibly under the "Other unique mounts and transitions of similar difficulty level" category.
I think that separating All-Girl and Coed by different point ranges is completely fine. It's extremely similar to NCA college Nationals, and I definitively think that NCA's policy of averaging them to a 100 point is PERFECT!! It honestly opens up the door for an all girl team to max out as well as score higher out of a 100 point scale easier than it would be on a Coed Team.

James

Ja-Mez said:

One Girl Doing a Rewind, still wont get the job done. Technically on a team of 24, in order to hit the collegiate range, you must use the maximum amount of stunts possible, so you would have to do 8 unassisted rewinds, other inversion ups, or full ups to immediate body position. What is somewhat crazy about this, is this is the only level that REQUIRES Elite Unassisted Stunts, so because it follows the rest of the other level score sheets, if you do unassisted stunts, you only require one spotter, therefore an open coed 6 team would have to 8 Stunts (8 x 3 = 24) No one would have came close to maxing out on this last year, T & S only did 7 Stunts, and Cheer Athletics only did 7 as well. Now, T & S did do 9 unassisted High to High tick Tocks, which I consider Collegiate, but this score sheet doesn't directly say it except for possibly under the "Other unique mounts and transitions of similar difficulty level" category.
I think that separating All-Girl and Coed by different point ranges is completely fine. It's extremely similar to NCA college Nationals, and I definitively think that NCA's policy of averaging them to a 100 point is PERFECT!! It honestly opens up the door for an all girl team to max out as well as score higher out of a 100 point scale easier than it would be on a Coed Team.

James

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Oh I know, I was just teasing. Thanks for the insight! I thought I heard somewhere that to get in the Max range you really need max - 1, so 7 would still count? I could be completely wrong on that of course.

Ashley said:

Oh I know, I was just teasing. Thanks for the insight! I thought I heard somewhere that to get in the Max range you really need max - 1, so 7 would still count? I could be completely wrong on that of course.

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Does anyone think that this emphasis on "maxes" will cause coaches to perform with 23 in stead of 24 or 19 instead of 20 so that they don't have to "max out?" I know teams have done that in the past but I feel like it might be even more prevalent this year because of this emphasis. And sometimes you have that one kid that is an amazinggg tumbler but is of no use to you in stunting.

in10sityNY said:

Does anyone think that this emphasis on "maxes" will cause coaches to perform with 23 in stead of 24 or 19 instead of 20 so that they don't have to "max out?" I know teams have done that in the past but I feel like it might be even more prevalent this year because of this emphasis. And sometimes you have that one kid that is an amazinggg tumbler but is of no use to you in stunting.

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Interesting thought. It might also help those legitimately smaller teams in those divisions that are qualified in that division but not maxed out in team size.....like a large team with 25 instead of 32 or a small with 19 rather than 20 because they just didn't have the right skills to make a maxed out division team.

ASCheerMan. On a small all girl level 4 team is having one single based toss hands extension worth much? It's solid and hits well but is it worth the counts if we already get into the high range with our group stunts?

CGAcheer said:

ASCheerMan. On a small all girl level 4 team is having one single based toss hands extension worth much? It's solid and hits well but is it worth the counts if we already get into the high range with our group stunts?

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Having one person do anything in any routine won't impact the scoring range for difficulty. Always goes towards impression (and those types of categories)

CGAcheer said:

ASCheerMan. On a small all girl level 4 team is having one single based toss hands extension worth much? It's solid and hits well but is it worth the counts if we already get into the high range with our group stunts?

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If you are getting into the High Range already, adding that skill (obviously) can't help your range anymore. But remember that the judges have to choose a score for you: either a 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, or 7.0. If your toss to hands extension is effective, I bet it could be worth a .1 from certain judges and make the difference between the 6.7 and 6.8. I've noticed this season that not using front spots is making a difference in the scores and other 'overall effect' transitions.
And to @welcomeback's point, it could positively affect other portions of your scoresheet.
It certainly shouldn't be added at the price of taking out a squad sequence or tiring out your athletes so much they can't perform another crucial section of the routine.

ASCheerMan said:

If you are getting into the High Range already, adding that skill (obviously) can't help your range anymore. But remember that the judges have to choose a score for you: either a 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, or 7.0. If your toss to hands extension is effective, I bet it could be worth a .1 from certain judges and make the difference between the 6.7 and 6.8. I've noticed this season that not using front spots is making a difference in the scores and other 'overall effect' transitions.
And to @welcomeback's point, it could positively affect other portions of your scoresheet.
It certainly shouldn't be added at the price of taking out a squad sequence or tiring out your athletes so much they can't perform another crucial section of the routine.

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With it technically being a level 3 skill will it even get that extra .1?

CGAcheer said:

With it technically being a level 3 skill will it even get that extra .1?

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Just because it is first allowed at level 3 doesn't mean that's where it fits difficulty wise.

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welcomeback said:

Just because it is first allowed at level 3 doesn't mean that's where it fits difficulty wise.

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I second that. Panel judges don't view routines from that perspective as much as you would think. It would certainly stand out. And maybe, maybe not in the Stunt score. But done well and choreographed appropriately, it could affect other categories, too.

ASCheerMan said:

I second that. Panel judges don't view routines from that perspective as much as you would think. It would certainly stand out. And maybe, maybe not in the Stunt score. But done well and choreographed appropriately, it could affect other categories, too.

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I would think that's true especially if it's not seen much in that level. We had two, totally unassisted, walk in press to extensions on our jr coed 3 last year and they caught people's attention just because no one else was doing them in that division so it set us a hit apart in that sense anyway.

I thought I had read this somewhere but now I can't find it. For level 2, running front walkover ro bhs would count as 1 level appropriate skill not 2 because you can do front walkovers in level 1, correct? So it would be better to do multiple bhs instead.

Morgankay88 said:

I thought I had read this somewhere but now I can't find it. For level 2, running front walkover ro bhs would count as 1 level appropriate skill not 2 because you can do front walkovers in level 1, correct? So it would be better to do multiple bhs instead.

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That is correct!

I reiterate what I've said in earlier messaging: the system--and even the interpretation--hasn't changed, But we've taken more time to lay out examples, definitions, and explanations so coaches and judges alike have more information. Varsity All Star

This revision includes:
1. Lists of level appropriate skills for L1 and L2 Stunts
2. Pyramid examples enhanced
3. How to score Tosses for teams with less than 20 athletes
4. L3 and L4 Level appropriate dismounts better explained
Please make sure that your copies of the scoring document included 'Revised Oct 30, 2012' at the bottom of each page.