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Honestly... how much does that matter?
I think it does matter, especially with comparative scoring. I think that judges leave themselves room in a division, and that while it might not change the outcome within a division, those who go first suffer in the run for level champs, bids ect.
Scoring is different from placement though. It doesn't effect placement within the division, but scoring within the entire competition, absolutely.
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Scoring is different from placement though. It doesn't effect placement within the division, but scoring within the entire competition, absolutely.
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I disagree...since scoring is what determines placement...it absolutely can make a difference on where a team places.
I think it affects overall scoring much more than placements, but I don't think it's accurate to say it has absolutely no affect on placements.
This is has been discussed in a few places:
Competition Order Affecting Scores? | Fierce Board - The Voice Of Cheer
Let's Discuss Worlds Scoring | Page 15 | Fierce Board - The Voice Of Cheer
https://www.fierceboard.com/threads/my-issue-with-comparative-scoring.36859/
I know someone used real scores to show that teams that go later tend to place higher. I just can't find it.
You are talking about clear cut winners...knocking it out of the park routines. What about tight, close divisions where the placements are determined by less than a point? In these cases it may not be the team who is the best that places 1st, but the team that performs later in the competition.Not necessarily. I've judged for plenty of years...if a team goes first and knocks it out the park, and deserves to win, they will. They may score a hair lower than they could to leave wiggle room for potential contenders. There isn't a set score for 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
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You are talking about clear cut winners...knocking it out of the park routines. What about tight, close divisions where the placements are determined by less than a point? In these cases it may not be the team who is the best that places 1st, but the team that performs later in the competition.