Agreed! You can't really sandbag level 5....but you surely can at levels 1-4. There are very few roster limitations for summit. I wonder how those teams that had carried over bids from last year and had try outs geared to the 2014 summit did? Some of those gyms specifically held tryouts for summit teams that "already had a bid" carried over from 2013.
True. But you can drop an entire team's level for summit and make an entirely new team out of higher level kids. That will dramatically change rankings and it's not illegal. There aren't roster change limits like there are for worlds that I'm aware of. The 5 worlds crossover rule is the only roster limit I know about. Feel free to enlighten me if I'm wrong about that.
Why hide it ? They aren't doing anything wrong according to the rules. We fell victim to a stacked team one year in J2 at NCA. It was so blatant and brazen by the coach/owner that word got around NCA. Strong words were exchanged here on the Fierceboard. He was very righteous in his behavior and adamantly argued that if it was wrong to do, they would've created a rule that would prevent it. He figured that since there was no such rule in existence, he won fairly. He flagrantly skirted the rule and was proud of himself
I kind of view the Fierceboard as you would a think tank in Engineering. There's a lot of experience here on the board. I personally like the fact that we can use this forum to tap into that wealth of knowledge. It makes us much better informed individuals. We are given the opportunity to give opinions in a safe environment without condemnation or criticism. We can table problems, ideas, suggestions, and even sometimes solutions. And most importantly we do this with people that understand our type (we're a very special breed).Hey CheerBank,
That is it! Are we really sick of seeing higher level athletes crossing over to level 1 and level 2 teams are here we go again being all wishy-washy on the topic... Let's be honest, in all the scenario I read posted, never once did anybody complained and talked about that level 5 or level 4 athlete only being good in one aspect of the scoresheet, but all the complaints have been these athletes being an awesome team and cheating... I suggested an viable way to even the playing field for lower level teams and now, we want to piecemeal the areas these higher level athletes are equal in skill. As a new comer to this sport, I understand clearly why we have this widespread cheating going on in cheerleading... because we complain about the problem and when suggestions are made to remedy the problem, then we start talking out of the other side of our necks... and justifying why a higher level athletes are used and then talk about the small gym that have no other alternatives, etc... For the life of me, when someone suggest given an handicap to the lower level teams because higher level athletes are crossing over... then we need to piecemeal how unfair this could be on the level 5 or level 4 athletes... I am just confused, again, are we sick of the uneven playing field or are we content just wanting to sit around and talking about it to death...If we are still in the talking stage on this matter I think, I will come back for the resolution session because I am sick of talking and beating this dead horse... :deadhorse:
I thought the deciding factor in gym size was by definition the number of athletes involved in All Star Cheer at that particular gym. Not the number of athletes the gym has at the competition. In the case of multiple gym locations it's the sum of athletes at all of the gyms combined. Does the rule vary depending on which event ?
Unfortunately, there are a few owners/coaches who feel that way. I would not want them training my athlete as this is exactly the mindset I am trying to avoid while raising my CP. Just because there is no "rule" doesn't make it "right". Only you can decide what you can/can't live with. At the end of the day, you have to live with yourself and look at your face in the mirror. There is nothing embarrassing about competing at your correct level, doing your best, and not winning. Can't say the same for "not competing to your full potential". How "proud" could those kids be of a 1st place in S1 vs a 3rd in S4?
If you're bringing Worlds athletes over to R5 for Summit, that's ethically wrong whether you call it sandbagging, stacking, or just cheating. So, I guess I feel that Level 5 can have sandbagging.
