Worlds Roster Rules

Discussion in 'Discussing the Cheerleading Industry' started by BlueCat, Apr 28, 2010.

  1. CDRCoach17

    CDRCoach17 They call me Susie

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    I think gyms/owners need to be wiser when choosing their worlds eligible squads. This would help with choosing alternates/subs. Secondly, I still think it isn't that difficult. Most gym owners who have common sense are well versed on the rules. The ability to find and scope loop holes clearly is evidence of knowing the rules. I think once you arrive to worlds, there needs to be check in tables for athletes with photo ID's. How would this cost any money besides a few man hours?
    Secondly, is there a time limit for submitting your rosters once you have received your bid? I think there should be a time limit for submitting your roster to the USASF (not the bid awarding company). Once that roster has been submitted (which includes alternates/subs), end of story. The only way a gym can get any alterations made to those rosters is to go through the USASF. How hard can that be?

     
  2. King

    King Is all about that bass Staff Member

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    In a paper based system, very easy to mess up. The more digital the system, the more secure and accurate the information.
     
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    Someone please tell me how the current system works. I used to run the office for a cheer gym and when they got their partial paid bid, the roster and list of subs (no such thing as alternates back then) had to be turned in to the event producer the night BEFORE the event. Does it still work that way? Turning them in after the event doesn't make sense to me. The team that earned the bid should be the team that goes to worlds with the exception of a few kids, all of who should be active, current season, all star cheerleaders from your own gym.

    If you must still turn in the roster before the event, why can't we just hold gyms to the roster and list of subs they turn in at that time? Then your subs must be on another roster from that gym at that same event, or from a roster you turned in at the beginning of the year as Mclovin suggested.
     
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    Correct. The subs don't have to be listed on that team's roster, but have to be listed on another roster from the event.

    The alternates have to be listed on the roster and must be "members" of the gym.

    The definition of "member" is the critical point at issue.
     
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    Thanks Acedad.

    So change the word "member" to "current season active all star" with the following definition: alternates must be on an all star team at your gym at the time of receiving a bid, provable by event producer roster from a previous event from the same year.

    The intent of this rule is to allow injured athletes who cannot participate in helping their team receive a bid still participate at Worlds with their team. The intent of this rule is NOT to go out and recruit the 3 best tumblers/ smallest flyers in the world to come and help your team score higher at worlds.

    If you are caught violating this rule your gym will not be allowed to attend worlds for "x" number of years.
     
  6. Mclovin

    Mclovin Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I would say that it would be hard to say "provable by a roster given to a previous event in the same year" because what if Suzie Cheerleader blew out her ACL in September and hadn't competed yet. Again, I think a roster needs to be sent to the USASF by X date and ALL your athletes have to be on there, period. If they're not, touch luck! This would also prevent gym hopping mid-season which I am not in favor of unless something VERY unethical is taking place.
     
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    That works for me. You could also have Susie cheerleader with the blown out acl stand in the back of the mat if you really want her to be eligible. She stand in the back for any of the teams in your gym for that matter. I don't really care as long as she's from your gym lol.
     
  8. Mclovin

    Mclovin Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    True! I didn't really think about that. I guess as long as you had a team that had an available spot. And I agree, as long as we can make it easy to prove someone is or isn't TRULY from a specific gym, I don't really care how it's done. Just get it done. :)
     
  9. CDRCoach17

    CDRCoach17 They call me Susie

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    There is a simple solution to this problem, but there seems to be some reluctance to getting it solved. This is my opinion only and does not represent my organization. I think the rules committee could look at more pressing issues than whether a brand of shoe is illegal or not. What is the hold up?
     
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    Perhaps someone can tell me, maybe ACEDAD?; are there any changes for this upcoming year that will be taking place that we (gym owners) need to be aware of?
     
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    I disagree. Details matter. The shoe was clearly illegal by the wording of the rule. They decided the shoe was legal by the intention of the rule. Who deems what rules are and are not important? Who says what rules are flexible? Can I get a list of those rules because if there is an advantage I am missing out on, why wouldn't I want to take it?
     
  12. CDRCoach17

    CDRCoach17 They call me Susie

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    Sorry if my post sounded a little out of hand. I am just a little baffled as to what is going on.
     
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    I think most people all want the same thing: clear defined rules that we feel everyone has to play by. If the playing field is level then there is a sense of fairness. What irks me is when you fell like (and heck, some of you make 'know') that someone is taking an illegal advantage. To play the same game as someone else and get beaten? Well, I dont like to lose BUT I can deal with that. To know someone is cheating to get there and beat you... thats what I think we all have problems with.
     
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    I'm sticking my neck out here, but I believe there is reluctance to change because there are influential gym(s) that are working around the rules. Maybe enforcing the current rules will make their lives harder and will make winning more difficult for them. The rules are there for a reason, and regardless of enforcement, shouldn't we uphold them because it is the RIGHT thing to do? Shouldn't we teach our athletes that cheating is ALWAYS wrong? What message are we sending to athletes when they know the rules and they know the rules aren't being followed? It's ok to cheat when you disagree with the rules? It's ok to cheat when it earns you a globe? Honestly, the lack of "ethics" in our industry makes me queasy...

    Sorry for the rant...
     
  15. hopskipandjump

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    Ok, someone help me. (I know. I know I should know this, but new here with regards to worlds bids): Ok, here goes. I was told by a company that if my team got a bid to worlds, the participants had to be at the event. Is that correct? EXAMPLE: team A gets a bid without 2 of its regular members, 2 subs fill in at that event for them. Are all 4 eligible to compete at worlds if the 2 regular members were not at the bid giving event even though they are regular members of the team but could not be there for that competition?