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Probably not, given the current culture, but that's our job as parents, to teach them where the line is as society keeps pushing it. They don't have the judgment to do that for themselves yet.

I'm not comfortable with my 13 year old doing what I saw in the reveal video, period. While she lives under my roof, she won't or she will face the consequences.

What they are doing is VERY different than practicing in a sports bra. It is at its nature a provocative act, looking for a response, regardless of how they want to try to package it. Given this gym's track record the intent is clear.


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but if a kid doesnt notice, why point it out. And thats where things tend to snowball. if a child or younger level kid watches that routine and barely notices the uniform change, why as a parent would you rewind and point out and be like look what they did how inappropriate....
none of us are even sure how they plan on opening the top during the dance/routine. Im not gonna base my decisions on a top reveal based off kids goofing off on instagram and twitter.
kids are already exposed to so much that they dont need to see due to social media, but harping on how inappropriate something is for kids or to your kid, is only going to make them seek it out. Thats just how a kids/teens mind tends to works, when you tell them not to do something.
businesses, any type for that matter arent always going to think of every little situation. Top gun thought it was an exciting thing to do, for athletes that are probably in the proper age range. I doubt they thought well what if little level 1 suzy sees this, heaven forbid we do anything that isnt 100% kid friendly.
trying to get 100% approval from everyone and anyone for doing something you like, is just no way to live, i think people would go crazy constantly trying to be a perfect little role model type figure for so long. Eventually you got to let go of things and do the things you enjoy, and i think top gun has officially hit that point. They are still a great program, great coaches, successful teams all around, etc. etc. i mean what more do you want.
 
but if a kid doesnt notice, why point it out. And thats where things tend to snowball. if a child or younger level kid watches that routine and barely notices the uniform change, why as a parent would you rewind and point out and be like look what they did how inappropriate....
none of us are even sure how they plan on opening the top during the dance/routine. Im not gonna base my decisions on a top reveal based off kids goofing off on instagram and twitter.
kids are already exposed to so much that they dont need to see due to social media, but harping on how inappropriate something is for kids or to your kid, is only going to make them seek it out. Thats just how a kids/teens mind tends to works, when you tell them not to do something.
businesses, any type for that matter arent always going to think of every little situation. Top gun thought it was an exciting thing to do, for athletes that are probably in the proper age range. I doubt they thought well what if little level 1 suzy sees this, heaven forbid we do anything that isnt 100% kid friendly.
trying to get 100% approval from everyone and anyone for doing something you like, is just no way to live, i think people would go crazy constantly trying to be a perfect little role model type figure for so long. Eventually you got to let go of things and do the things you enjoy, and i think top gun has officially hit that point. They are still a great program, great coaches, successful teams all around, etc. etc. i mean what more do you want.

No, there isn't a teen girl out there that isn't going to notice this. A little kid might jot, but my 13 year old certainly would, but wouldn't have the maturity to realize that the cheerleaders she idolizes are doing something that cheapens them a women, and objectifies them even further.

I refuse to stop giving my kid guidance about what she sees based on making her "want to do it more" that ridiculous.


Do you have kids? I don't as to be disrespectful or dismissive, but before I had CP, I thought much like you. Having a teenage girl who is exposed to this stuff changes your perspective.


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How can this uniform be so elegant and goofy at the same time?

Does anyone else notice how the tiny straps that attach the uppermost portion of the 'A' have quite a bit of slack? Maybe that's how they were designed but it just seems very loose to me.

Maybe they impeded movement if they were tighter? I would think it would pull on the top too much?


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No, there isn't a teen girl out there that isn't going to notice this. A little kid might jot, but my 13 year old certainly would, but wouldn't have the maturity to realize that the cheerleaders she idolizes are doing something that cheapens them a women, and objectifies them even further.

I refuse to stop giving my kid guidance about what she sees based on making her "want to do it more" that ridiculous.


Do you have kids? I don't as to be disrespectful or dismissive, but before I had CP, I thought much like you. Having a teenage girl who is exposed to this stuff changes your perspective.


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Me and you have very different views and that's perfectly fine. I won't go as low and say that exposing a sports bra is cheapening them, that's just a little ridiculous to say.

Kids are going to be watching hundreds of routines over the course of a few days, I can't sit here believe that a quick ending moment in one teams performance is going to dramatically affect a young teens view on women.
 
Maybe they impeded movement if they were tighter? I would think it would pull on the top too much?


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Very true! I never even thought of that. Conversely, it's so loose, I don't see why a finger can't slip right through. Just a bad choice overall. luv2cheer92 could not have said it better. Swap those design elements front and back.
 
Me and you have very different views and that's perfectly fine. I won't go as low and say that exposing a sports bra is cheapening them, that's just a little ridiculous to say.

Kids are going to be watching hundreds of routines over the course of a few days, I can't sit here believe that a quick ending moment in one teams performance is going to dramatically affect a young teens view on women.
Stripping is cheap. That's what this is. Purposely exposing your undergarments for effect.

It's not just one routine though. This is one symptom of a larger issue, and the more we ignore it the bigger it gets. Every time we give one thing like this a pass it adds to the onslaught of messages our girls are getting that show them that their worth lies in their appearance and appeal to men. The body rubbing in stunts, the dance moves that push further and further, the fact that pretty much every girl we see in a print ad for cheer is a very specific body, face, and hair type. It all effects them, little things add up over time to big things. We have to take a stand and draw a line somewhere.

I still want to know, do you have kids? Teens?


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Stripping is cheap. That's what this is. Purposely exposing your undergarments for effect.

It's not just one routine though. This is one symptom of a larger issue, and the more we ignore it the bigger it gets. Every time we give one thing like this a pass it adds to the onslaught of messages our girls are getting that show them that their worth lies in their appearance and appeal to men. The body rubbing in stunts, the dance moves that push further and further, the fact that pretty much every girl we see in a print ad for cheer is a very specific body, face, and hair type. It all effects them, little things add up over time to big things. We have to take a stand and draw a line somewhere.

I still want to know, do you have kids? Teens?


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I just think your looking far to into it then there needs to be. I grew up in the era of britney spears, and as a young teen I watched the girl rip her clothes off on MTV and dance on stage.
Guess what. In my young teen mind I thought yes britney! Fierce. Amazing dancing, etc. Never once did i go into deep thought about what she was wearing, her booty shaking, etc. But you know what did make me think about it. The media. My parents. People replaying it for a week straight on end, printing still images of her supposed thong all over the internet.
All I saw was a sparkly outfit. And if it wasn't for grown adults complaining that's all I ever would have thought of it as.
Kids aren't naive, but they also arent as hyper sensitive of everything as adults are.
 
I just think your looking far to into it then there needs to be. I grew up in the era of britney spears, and as a young teen I watched the girl rip her clothes off on MTV and dance on stage.
Guess what. In my young teen mind I thought yes britney! Fierce. Amazing dancing, etc. Never once did i go into deep thought about what she was wearing, her booty shaking, etc. But you know what did make me think about it. The media. My parents. People replaying it for a week straight on end, printing still images of her supposed thong all over the internet.
All I saw was a sparkly outfit. And if it wasn't for grown adults complaining that's all I ever would have thought of it as.
Kids aren't naive, but they also arent as hyper sensitive of everything as adults are.

Consciously, no you didn't think about it. Teens don't typically think that deeply about much, but they are getting the message it's sending. You thought that was cool. Maybe you weren't impressionable enough to emulate what you thought was cool, but so many others are. It definitely sent you a message wether you were conscious of it or not. Most teens aren't conscious of the messages they are getting from this stuff. That's where parents come in. Teens don't even realize what they are doing when they process these messages and allow them to effect their behavior. But they DO effect their behavior. The more of them they see, the more deeply it effects them. The tipping point is different for every kid.

The adults telling them it isn't appropriate isn't what's telling them that their self worth lies in their appearance and appeal to men. It's one of the few things sending the opposite message.


You probably won't ever see it my way and that's ok. I just feel like I the current climate we have to be aware of messages we are sending.
 
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Consciously, no you didn't think about it. Teens don't typically think that deeply about much, but they are getting the message it's sending. You thought that was cool. Maybe you weren't impressionable enough to emulate what you thought was cool, but so many others are. It definitely sent you a message wether you were conscious of it or not. Most teens aren't conscious of the messages they are getting from this stuff. That's where parents come in. Teens don't even realize what they are doing when they process these messages and allow them to effect their behavior. But they DO effect their behavior. The more of them they see, the more deeply it effects them. The tipping point is different for every kid.

The adults telling them it isn't appropriate isn't what's telling them that their self worth lies in their appearance and appeal to men. It's one of the few things sending the opposite message.
I still stand my point. Top gun is allowed to do as they please and they shouldn't be blasted because it's not appealing to young children. For what more then likely will be a small 2 second moment isn't going to dramatically affect a kids life.

I'll be excited to see 005 routine in a few days.
 
I still stand my point. Top gun is allowed to do as they please and they shouldn't be blasted because it's not appealing to young children. For what more then likely will be a small 2 second moment isn't going to dramatically affect a kids life.

I'll be excited to see 005 routine in a few days.

Of course they are allowed to do whatever they want, as long as they don't get a deduction for it. At that point they will have to decide how much their statement is worth.

I stand by the fact that I feel it's inappropriate and that it's our job as parents to stand up,and say that.


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