All-Star Usasf Major Changes

[Mclovin]

Just a question to all that have posted on this...are the banned skills the ONLY rule "changes" people are objecting to? Because I have a problem with several others....the 50%+1 rule, the "image guidelines", etc. Just curious. There seems to be a lot of noise, but ONLY on the tumbling restrictions. I think MANY of these "rules" were not thought through. I hope more than just the banned skills were discussed at the meetings thus far.

I can only speak for me, but 1) I completely disagree with how ALL of the rules were just changed like that. 2) I think that the tumbling restrictions were just the most blatant disregard for our sport as a whole. While I don't like being forced to wear a certain kind of uniform, or keep my makeup a certain way, those things in relation to the tumbling restrictions just aren't as important to me. I definitely think a lot of the other rule changes were dumb, but I could live with them. I cannot accept the tumbling restrictions.

 

[cheerinfo]

I can only speak for me, but 1) I completely disagree with how ALL of the rules were just changed like that. 2) I think that the tumbling restrictions were just the most blatant disregard for our sport as a whole. While I don't like being forced to wear a certain kind of uniform, or keep my makeup a certain way, those things in relation to the tumbling restrictions just aren't as important to me. I definitely think a lot of the other rule changes were dumb, but I could live with them. I cannot accept the tumbling restrictions.

I agree the restrictions may have been the most drastic, but to be honest, to me, the 50%+1 rule is a biggie as well. To me it "dumbs down" the level 5 divisions. I LOVE watching teams with full squad (or close to that) skills. So now 11 kids on a small team is all you need doing jump to backs, one to fulls, etc. in order to TOTALLY max out. I think that is very limiting as well...maybe not AS limiting as banning certain skills, but this limits ALL teams in ALL divisions, and just makes it EASIER. To me, competitive sports are not and should not be EASY. ESPECIALLY when you get to the more elite levels. But this rule effects all levels. Now we get to see teams with barely more than half the athletes doing skills and score just as high in those areas as teams that have full squad. It just seems to dumb it down too much for my preference.

 

[Mclovin]

I agree the restrictions may have been the most drastic, but to be honest, to me, the 50%+1 rule is a biggie as well. To me it "dumbs down" the level 5 divisions. I LOVE watching teams with full squad (or close to that) skills. So now 11 kids on a small team is all you need doing jump to backs, one to fulls, etc. in order to TOTALLY max out. I think that is very limiting as well...maybe not AS limiting as banning certain skills, but this limits ALL teams in ALL divisions, and just makes it EASIER. To me, competitive sports are not and should not be EASY. ESPECIALLY when you get to the more elite levels. But this rule effects all levels. Now we get to see teams with barely more than half the athletes doing skills and score just as high in those areas as teams that have full squad. It just seems to dumb it down too much for my preference.

No I completely agree. I am praying to God that they review these decisions carefully and know how harmful some of these rules will be to the growth of our sport. I fear, however, that because the outrage mentioned nothing about it, that it will get swept under the rug and the rules not regarding banning skills will remain as is....

 

[lcheergirl]

What happened yesterday in the meeting? Kind of crazy with all the support we have all been asked to give, that they have a meeting and we hear nothing about it. Does anyone else get the feeling that the USASF told the owners we don't care what you think is correct. Just think if there were developments to the positive someone would have posted by now. ????

 

[Mclovin]

What happened yesterday in the meeting? Kind of crazy with all the support we have all been asked to give, that they have a meeting and we hear nothing about it. Does anyone else get the feeling that the USASF told the owners we don't care what you think is correct. Just think if there were developments to the positive someone would have posted by now. ????

I think I read somewhere that the rules committee is meeting today at 8:30. Not sure if that is am or pm. But I'm guessing that the BoD has their proposals ready and the rules committee is going to discuss it today. So maybe, just maybe, we'll hear something by tomorrow??

 

[ufomom]

Having these rules come out in the manner that they did, was like waking up in a different country. Like, what the heck happened?? I am very conservative and big on appropriate, but many of the image things (to me) are up to parents and to gyms. It was very Big Brother. The theatrical male issue sent me to the moon. Like seriously. And then the bow was the final kicker. It showed me that someone had finally locked themselves in the closet and they were going to take CONTROL. Seriously. BOWS? I think people with much more experience and credibility than me have discussed the tumbling restrictions well.

 

[omgitssydthekid]

I feel like it's a mixture. I've seen all 3, 1 - time off, they come back rested and better than before, 2 time off and they were a MESS, 3 - nothing changed. I think every kid is different. I think cheerleading is different.

Personally I fall into category number 2. When I took a little over a month off after leaving my previous gym before starting my new one, it was a struggle to have to throw level 5 tumbling again after not throwing a single tumbling pass for a month. Although when I took my break, I had intended to not cheer again after that but I got pulled back into it so that may be the reason. because if I had planned on cheering, I probably would have done some open gyms atleast to keep up skills.

 

[flipmac]

Andre do you have info regarding the age grid for international teams? There is word USASF will allow teams from outside US to maintain a lower aGe cutoff than true US teams.

 

[hopskipandjump]

Just a question to all that have posted on this...are the banned skills the ONLY rule "changes" people are objecting to? Because I have a problem with several others....the 50%+1 rule, the "image guidelines", etc. Just curious. There seems to be a lot of noise, but ONLY on the tumbling restrictions. I think MANY of these "rules" were not thought through. I hope more than just the banned skills were discussed at the meetings thus far.

Can you please post exactly what was stated about the 50 + 1 rule? I don't remember reading that and I know the pdf from USASF was removed. How can that be enforceable? Isn't that for an event producer to decide? Or is that just worlds?

 

[Deleted member 15]

Andre do you have info regarding the age grid for international teams? There is word USASF will allow teams from outside US to maintain a lower aGe cutoff than true US teams.

The USASF doesn't control the age grid for International teams, but I'd expect the IASF and USASF to get in sync within the next 2 seasons.

 

[yojaehs]

Can you please post exactly what was stated about the 50 + 1 rule? I don't remember reading that and I know the pdf from USASF was removed. How can that be enforceable? Isn't that for an event producer to decide? Or is that just worlds?

Hopefully EP's are getting on the same page lol. USASF seems to be throwing their weight around to gym owners maybe they are taking SOME steps towards pushing EP's too!!!

 

[cheerinfo]

Can you please post exactly what was stated about the 50 + 1 rule? I don't remember reading that and I know the pdf from USASF was removed. How can that be enforceable? Isn't that for an event producer to decide? Or is that just worlds?

Well, since I can't find it anymore, I cannot directly quote. But it was basically that you MAX OUT as long as you have 50%+1 doing the skill (i.e. one to fulls). So even if you have full squad, you don't get rewarded for it any more than the team doing BARELY majority. It's not a "rule" per se...I would say maybe a scoring issue, so might need to be emailed to the EPs regarding it, but it was released the same time as the other "rules" and "guidelines".

 

[hopskipandjump]

Well, since I can't find it anymore, I cannot directly quote. But it was basically that you MAX OUT as long as you have 50%+1 doing the skill (i.e. one to fulls). So even if you have full squad, you don't get rewarded for it any more than the team doing BARELY majority. It's not a "rule" per se...I would say maybe a scoring issue, so might need to be emailed to the EPs regarding it, but it was released the same time as the other "rules" and "guidelines".

wow. just wow. I don't know how I missed that. So, that would directly effect Varsity Brands and Jam Brands score sheets in particular. I wonder who came up with that one. Good gosh.

 

[cheerinfo]

Hopefully EP's are getting on the same page lol. USASF seems to be throwing their weight around to gym owners maybe they are taking SOME steps towards pushing EP's too!!!

So are you for or against implementing the 50%+1 rule as being MAX for tumbling scoring? Not being snarky, just curious because I generally agree with most of your opinions and posts haha.

 

[flipmac]

The USASF doesn't control the age grid for International teams, but I'd expect the IASF and USASF to get in sync within the next 2 seasons.

How does this play out regarding international divisions at worlds?