All-Star Doral Coaches Meeting This Week

[idrive]

The United States All Star Federation (USASF) does not have the same control or jurisdiction over teams not from the "United States" as it does over those in this country. That is also why there is currently a discrepancy between the non-US age brackets and the US ones.

Can you offer an explanation as to why the USASF doesn't simply adopt the IASF age rules?

 

[NEliteSteven]

I do love me some Les Stella. I think he's a stand up guy and really is doing the best that he can.

 

[ztaprincess]

The United States All Star Federation (USASF) does not have the same control or jurisdiction over teams not from the "United States" as it does over those in this country. That is also why there is currently a discrepancy between the non-US age brackets and the US ones.

But should the IASF and the USASF not require teams competing at worlds in the same division to use the same age bracket? I mean December 2013 for outside the US and August 2012 for US teams is a big difference. On top of that should the USASF and IASF not work together to make sure that all international and US teams follow the SAME rules. A Non-US team got away with something that a US team got penalized for. Both should be held to the same standards and made to follow the same rules.
People complain about things making all star cheer look like a joke, this is something that makes it look like a joke.

Also for those who want to know other things that have been discussed but possibly not posted on here:

I will say that all of these changes for next year that have been discussed are sort of exciting. The only one thus far I am a bit iffy on is Worlds being Sat-Mon instead of Fri-Sun.

 

[BlueCat]

Can you offer an explanation as to why the USASF doesn't simply adopt the IASF age rules?

They did last year. The USASF believes that it has the correct and appropriate age bracket and feels strongly enough about it that it will use that bracket regardless of what the non-US teams choose to do.

 

[AcaseA]

I do love me some Les Stella. I think he's a stand up guy and really is doing the best that he can.

When I grow up I want to be Les Stella

 

[BlueCat]

But should the IASF and the USASF not require teams competing at worlds in the same division to use the same age bracket? I mean December 2013 for outside the US and August 2012 for US teams is a big difference. On top of that should the USASF and IASF not work together to make sure that all international and US teams follow the SAME rules. A Non-US team got away with something that a US team got penalized for. Both should be held to the same standards and made to follow the same rules.
People complain about things making all star cheer look like a joke, this is something that makes it look like a joke.

Also for those who want to know other things that have been discussed but possibly not posted on here:

I will say that all of these changes for next year that have been discussed are sort of exciting. The only one thus far I am a bit iffy on is Worlds being Sat-Mon instead of Fri-Sun.

Everyone agrees that it is not ideal for there to be different brackets depending on what country you are from. However, that does not mean that the USASF should simply automatically do whatever non-US teams want. (Particularly since non-US teams only make up a VERY small portion of the overall all-star cheer market.) The USASF would prefer that everyone adopts the same age bracket, but it can't (apparently) force the other countries to comply.

 

[idrive]

They did last year. The USASF believes that it has the correct and appropriate age bracket and feels strongly enough about it that it will use that bracket regardless of what the non-US teams choose to do.

My daughter was able to compete at Worlds with our International team because of that rule from last year. What happened for them to say it was ok last year but not this year?

 

[NEliteSteven]

When I grow up I want to be Les Stella

I want to marry him. But I wasn't about to highjack this thread. (and B. Habermel) Shhh.....

 

[idrive]

When I grow up I want to be Les Stella

I do not envy his position. I'm sure he takes a lot of heat that should be placed on others.

 

[BlueCat]

My daughter was able to compete at Worlds with our International team because of that rule from last year. What happened for them to say it was ok last year but not this year?

The non-US age bracket came out after the US one last season. The compromise was made because there was initially confusion about which bracket the US teams would follow at Worlds. Because of that initial confusion, they followed the less restrictive age bracket for that one event for that one year.

This year, they are saying from the start that it doesn't matter what the non-US bracket is, US teams will have to follow the US bracket when competing within the United States.

 

[ztaprincess]

Everyone agrees that it is not ideal for there to be different brackets depending on what country you are from. However, that does not mean that the USASF should simply automatically do whatever non-US teams want. (Particularly since non-US teams only make up a VERY small portion of the overall all-star cheer market.) The USASF would prefer that everyone adopts the same age bracket, but it can't (apparently) force the other countries to comply.

I 100% agree with the age bracket that the USASF is using, I just hate that the difference is so big. I wouldn't think too much about it if I hadn't just dealt with 2-3 weeks of getting the run around by them about once again using a different set of rules for them when they both sign the same compliance in the worlds packet.

I want to marry him. But I wasn't about to highjack this thread. (and B. Habermel) Shhh.....

More reason that we share a brain? I think so. Brad and Justin Carrier are just so dreamy :cloud9:

I do not envy his position. I'm sure he takes a lot of heat that should be placed on others.

I in no way envy his position. He has had to take the heat way too many times over things he had no control over. The fact that he does step up and does it so calmly makes me have so much respect for him.

 

[NEliteSteven]

ztaprincess I don't post about Justin on here. I get too nervous that he's going to see it. :-D

 

[WorkToWin]

ASCheerMan well hey...

 

[debbie]

Can you offer an explanation as to why the USASF doesn't simply adopt the IASF age rules?

Because that makes sense and would be fair which is not the USASF way!

 

[idrive]

The non-US age bracket came out after the US one last season. The compromise was made because there was initially confusion about which bracket the US teams would follow at Worlds. Because of that initial confusion, they followed the less restrictive age bracket for that one event for that one year.

This year, they are saying from the start that it doesn't matter what the non-US bracket is, US teams will have to follow the US bracket when competing within the United States.

I don't know if they fully realize that some gyms who have enough talent to field one highly competitive team (IOC5) and need the younger kids. With this International age rule it leaves out the same group of kids that were effected a few years ago when they moved the age up. It effects at least three at our gym. All I have asked of the USASF is a valid reason for this age rule.