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my understanding is that the USASF has given up for now on trying to define a program
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MyGirlCheers
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Ah, so that explains why I can't find it now - I'm glad I'm not losing my mind! But wouldn't the definition have been in effect last year when this mess happened?
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I (and I think others) feel like this:
The teams in the other divisions she was on teams for probably feel differently. If you go against a gym that breaks a rule, you'd generally want it to be rectified. Yes, there was no competition in THAT division. But since most people are saying they should have to forfeit any titles won in ALL FOUR divisions she competed in, since there really is no way to choose which team would be "the 4th". You could interpret the "last" team she was on to be different things. Obviously CEA would say the YR5 since it's the one that she supposedly wasn't going to compete on, but I would say whatever team she competed last on the schedule (as in "last" in terms of time of day). If that wasn't YR5, then whatever team they competed last in the day should forfeit titles. If that was one of the other divisions then the 2nd place team is owed jackets. THAT'S why it matters. I'll bet it matters a whole lot to that gym.
Also, I think most people feel if you break a rule, you should be stripped of all titles and prizes for the teams that were involved.
As for "They could have laid down on the floor for 2.5 minutes and got banners and jackets"...then what was the need to break the rule? Why not go out there and do the routine without her, since it was so simple that they didn't really need to do anything? Why was is so necessary to make a big deal of asking permission, and having the rules "bent" (broken)?
- Dec 14, 2009
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And that's where it gets confusing. I don't know if they were penalized or not. Maybe they weren't BECAUSE they were in their own division and it wouldn't have mattered (Does Cheersport do Grand Champs? I didn't think they did because scoring is relative? Or am I mixing them up with another comp?)..I'm quoting you a lot, and I KNOW you love me.
s to the bolded part - that's the point. They were scored - and awarded prizes. As I said above (and someone else who was there also verified) there is a video of them being announced as National Champs and being given the banner and jackets.
And for the score with doubles - I quoted it a few pages back. Her own father said they weren't penalized for the doubles. So as I asked before, doesn't that mean that not only is CEA getting rules bent in registration at Cheersport, but also on scoring??? Because to my knowledge, doubles aren't allowed in restricted. Her father said they performed 19 of them. Shouldn't they have lost points for all 19? I know they weren't against anyone in the division, but again this goes back to the whole issue. Right vs. wrong.
There was that cute video shown of some team's minis who competed level 3 because there was nobody else in their division and it was the last comp of the season. Does anybody know if they were penalized by that comp for competing out-of-level skills (there weren't any teams in mini 2 or mini 3)??
- Jun 17, 2011
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I do agree that if the (4th) team had actually competed against another team, I feel like that team would be the 4th team wouldn't deserve the banners and what not. I honestly understand your concerns, and part of me does agree, but another part of me says that honestly, if the other teams she competed on were all "legal without question" and if those teams honestly did deserve the titles they got, then sobeit. I feel if this fourth team had competed and won but then all of this was discovered after the fact, (whether the situation was intentional or not) then I would want them to be disqualified if I were in the other gyms shoes. Does that make sense? (I know I ask that a lot lol, I just want to make sure I'm as clear as I can try to be at the moment) I agree with you just-a-mom, but I also agree with CGAcheer.
Whether the other 3 teams should give up the banners and titles is...something that usasf should decide........ But, if you ask me, this all happened last season. This is old drama that should be forgotten about by now. I still feel like CS should receive consequences, but CEA paid a fine. They got their consequences.
nccheerdad
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I think that 'most people' would probably believe that your use of the term 'most people' is probably exaggerated. Your ongoing witch hunt against this program continues to amaze.
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Not necessarily- I feel like your reaction to this is strongly correlated to your reaction to crossovers in general. If you're someone who hates crossovers period, you hate that this was even entertained. If you think crossovers are a necessary evil, you're probably upset you didn't think of this idea
. If you think crossovers can be beneficial, and should be up to the athlete/parent to decide, you probably aren't that bothered.
nccheerdad
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Not necessarily- I feel like your reaction to this is strongly correlated to your reaction to crossovers in general. If you're someone who hates crossovers period, you hate that this was even entertained. If you think crossovers are a necessary evil, you're probably upset you didn't think of this idea
You are probably right. It makes me wonder how those percentages would break out with regard to preference. Makes me think a study could be done.
MomOf2ThatsMe
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am i the only one sick to death about hearing how CEA 'bends' the rules? and how they assign kids to a minimum of 2 teams at tryouts? we know they do these things, and guess what? as long as we have people that are willing to continue to go to that program and allow themselves to get drawn into the 'teal hype' it will never, never change. i am not involved in all-star any longer, but i do like to keep up with the on-goings with teams, rules, policies, etc., but it annoys me to think there was almost the exact same 10-20 page thread a few months ago on how they bend the rules to suit their needs.
not trying to take anything away from the kids that go there, not trying to take anything away from the staff, cuz they do have talent....but to me it puts a little tarnish on it all to think that they probably DON'T need to bend the rules, THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY CAN....
not trying to take anything away from the kids that go there, not trying to take anything away from the staff, cuz they do have talent....but to me it puts a little tarnish on it all to think that they probably DON'T need to bend the rules, THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY CAN....
BlueCat
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Things you should probably leave out of future arguments.
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So if a State Trooper pulls me over for speeding and gives me a warning instead of a ticket did I cheat the state? For whatever reason, maybe the Highway was empty and he thought he would let me slide this time with a warning. How can you come back later and say you are now guilty and must pay the fine? Does it matter if I ask for the warning or the trooper offers it, that makes me a cheat?
CheerMomNTx
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I don't agree with CEA having to forfeit any jackets or trophies!! Maybe Cheersport should send jackets to the 2nd place teams in all 3 divisions?? After all it was CS's ultimate decision to tell CEA that they didn't have to compete as an exhibition team since there was no other team in the division.
Too many of you are wanting to cast a black shadow over the cheer gym that didn't intend any harm but yet nobody is really lashing out at the EP.
ALSO I feel that some of this chatter about the parents letting this child do 4 teams is ridiculous. How many of you parents have had your child in more than one sport or activity??? How do you know if she went 'full out' during all of her warmup times. Oh and just because your kid is level 5 doesn't mean they are required to know all of the rules. Some parents might not be as in to this sport as others.
Too many of you are wanting to cast a black shadow over the cheer gym that didn't intend any harm but yet nobody is really lashing out at the EP.
ALSO I feel that some of this chatter about the parents letting this child do 4 teams is ridiculous. How many of you parents have had your child in more than one sport or activity??? How do you know if she went 'full out' during all of her warmup times. Oh and just because your kid is level 5 doesn't mean they are required to know all of the rules. Some parents might not be as in to this sport as others.
- Jun 17, 2011
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I really like that idea., I'd like to make sure I was understood in my previous post, I would agree with Just-a-mom in the way of that if the 4th team (had theoretically actually competed against another team) should be disqualified. But since they didn't (and because this happened so long ago) I don't feel there would be any need for anyone to get a title taken away at this point. i do think it would be nice of CS to send jackets to the second place teams though.
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I would say maybe 10% of the parents of level 5 athletes at my gym know the basic rules about age brackets and such... I doubt a single one would know about the crossover limits. I think to say "most level 5 parents know the rules" is not accurate most of the time. A lot of parents don't have time to get into cheer. They drive their kid to practice, pay the bills, watch them compete for 3 minutes, and leave.
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