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Nope. IMO it would be ill advised to allow them on dead floor in high school. Its too much of a liability.
I will never understand why double downs are deemed more dangerous than the dreaded pancake stunt, though. Like "oh yeah you can't rotate twice, that would be crazy, but go ahead and literally go face first towards the ground." IMO they're both huge liabilities; my backspot in high school got her tooth knocked out on a double down that went wrong, but then this past year I had a cheerleader slip through the bases hands on a pancake and sprain her neck/get a concussion. I just never understood the logic in getting rid of double downs and putting in equally dangerous stunts haha, but I know not everyone thinks pancakes are deadly like I do.
I'm starting to see teams high school teams doing 1 1/4 and 1 1/2 up twist ups. Do you see kick doubles and double downs coming back to the school cheer world?
this. As the parent of a base, spinning down scares me more than pretty much anything else.If taught/performed correctly, the pancake stunt is a ton safer than the double down. If the top has adequate flexibility to perform the pancake stunt correctly, she puts herself in a position for the safest possible landing in case of a missed catch (any good stunt person will tell you that the safest landing is flat on the back). In the double down, the danger factor isn't really to the top, but to the bases. Jim Lord with the AACCA would be the person to ask, but I would bet the number of concussions related to flying elbows, 1 1/2 downs onto the face with arms out, knee-scissors, etc was astronomical compared to the number of injuries of any time related to pancakes. I've got a group now that can pancake like nobody's business, but none of them could spin through a double down in a great body position.
bingoThey all do a 1 1/2 up or a double up to some over-stretched body position, do some kind of inversion, a tick tock or two, and double down. All the flashy choreography, etc, just sucks the life out of me as they could be doing real skills during that time.
I'm starting to see teams high school teams doing 1 1/4 and 1 1/2 up twist ups. Do you see kick doubles and double downs coming back to the school cheer world?
No, you are right. They are deadly and my team doesn't do them - we put in a different inversion that's more visual and got the same amount of points!I will never understand why double downs are deemed more dangerous than the dreaded pancake stunt, though. Like "oh yeah you can't rotate twice, that would be crazy, but go ahead and literally go face first towards the ground." IMO they're both huge liabilities; my backspot in high school got her tooth knocked out on a double down that went wrong, but then this past year I had a cheerleader slip through the bases hands on a pancake and sprain her neck/get a concussion. I just never understood the logic in getting rid of double downs and putting in equally dangerous stunts haha, but I know not everyone thinks pancakes are deadly like I do.
NO, NO, NO not worth the risk!!!!What about only advanced high schools and maybe even advanced middle schools could be allowed to double down?
What about only advanced high schools and maybe even advanced middle schools could be allowed to double down?
No, you are right. They are deadly and my team doesn't do them - we put in a different inversion that's more visual and got the same amount of points!
This and 99% of dances. I find myself getting nostalgic when I watch old all-star routines. And I don't want helicopter-leg double downs to come back. Most teams (in HS and all-star) don't even hit clean full downs, why increase the difficulty window?I hope not. Do you not find the high school routines at nationals to be much more entertaining now that everyone isn't trying (and mostly failing) to kick double/double down out of every stunt? The double down had become the end-all be-all dismount of high school cheer, and people had completely quit working on being creative, much like all star routines have become. Every level 5 all star stunt sequence is exactly the same these days. They all do a 1 1/2 up or a double up to some over-stretched body position, do some kind of inversion, a tick tock or two, and double down. All the flashy choreography, etc, just sucks the life out of me as they could be doing real skills during that time.
This and 99% of dances. I find myself getting nostalgic when I watch old all-star routines. And I don't want helicopter-leg double downs to come back. Most teams (in HS and all-star) don't even hit clean full downs, why increase the difficulty window?
And don't get me started on tumbling.... we are going to need a serious incentive to clean things up in the coming years.