Summit Bid J5 Question...

[TheDivineCheerYaYaSecret]

IMO if the Y5 division all goes to the Summit on freely given, passed out Wild Card Bids then they should only compete in the Wild Card Division on Friday and whoever has the highest score at the end of the day on Friday is the winner of that "Exhibition" division. That should be all there is to it since those teams didn't win their bids to the Summit like all the other teams would have. If they are accepting the unearned Wild Card Bids then they should be accepting that they will only compete on Friday in their own Wild Card "Exhibition" division. If they do go to the Summit with those Wild Card Bids then they should not be awarded the same accolades as all the other teams competing at the Summit that did in fact earn their right to be there as defined by the guidelines. I realize that Varsity has changed the guidelines for the Y5 division for this year in the middle of the season and so technically that division will be there in accordance with the guidelines but that still doesn't make it right.

So I'll add this to the list of things that are "legal" according to the guidelines but are just plain wrong.

 

[FamousMatty]

IMO if the Y5 division all goes to the Summit on freely given, passed out Wild Card Bids then they should only compete in the Wild Card Division on Friday and whoever has the highest score at the end of the day on Friday is the winner of that "Exhibition" division. That should be all there is to it since those teams didn't win their bids to the Summit like all the other teams would have. If they are accepting the unearned Wild Card Bids then they should be accepting that they will only compete on Friday in their own Wild Card "Exhibition" division. If they do go to the Summit with those Wild Card Bids then they should not be awarded the same accolades as all the other teams competing at the Summit that did in fact earn their right to be there as defined by the guidelines. I realize that Varsity has changed the guidelines for the Y5 division for this year in the middle of the season and so technically that division will be there in accordance with the guidelines but that still doesn't make it right.

So I'll add this to the list of things that are "legal" according to the guidelines but are just plain wrong.

Yup yup and yup. Pretty much agree with 100% of this. The draw to Summit is the prestige added by the difficulty of getting there. You don't earn a bid you don't go. Your existence as level five does not "earn" you the right to be there...which is basically what just happened.

 

[DaniV]

I agree with the fact that someone new to level 1 vs new to level 5 are going to find their particular level skill sets equally difficult. What i do believe, though, is that you can't sandbag level 5, you can stack lower level teams making it easier for that team to achieve a higher percent of perfection. Also, deduction wise, a LOT more can go wrong with all the moving parts of a tick tick full around than a thigh stand heel stretch. More people are involved, more moving parts, more chance of a deduction. Typically, a level 5 routine will move much faster as well, so to get that clean look it's harder no matter the skill set because of more moving parts. It's not just about tumbling and working hard. There are more variables and movement in a level 5 routine than in level 1.

I agree to some extent with what you are saying. A "typical" level 1 routine can be much easier to clean and sync up. However, all levels can be just as intricate as level 5 if they are truely maxed out and doing as difficult skills as possible (moving stunts, changing bases, complex choreo, etc).

 

[DaniV]

I'm curious to see if any Youth level 4 teams will bump to to a 5 at a one-day Varsity event just to qualify for the WC bid and then work their butts off to get up to that level by the time Summit rolls around.

I jokingly texted my brother, who coaches our Youth 2 team, that they should do that for our UCA regional event in two weeks.

 

[amy1k]

I'm curious to see if any Youth level 4 teams will bump to to a 5 at a one-day Varsity event just to qualify for the WC bid and then work their butts off to get up to that level by the time Summit rolls around.

I jokingly texted my brother, who coaches our Youth 2 team, that they should do that for our UCA regional event in two weeks.

The CAN'T. They had to have participated already. Shady, imo. I mean, maybe a team could be a y5, but chose to try to be competitive trying to get a bid

 

[CEA_ATC]

IMO if the Y5 division all goes to the Summit on freely given, passed out Wild Card Bids then they should only compete in the Wild Card Division on Friday and whoever has the highest score at the end of the day on Friday is the winner of that "Exhibition" division. That should be all there is to it since those teams didn't win their bids to the Summit like all the other teams would have. If they are accepting the unearned Wild Card Bids then they should be accepting that they will only compete on Friday in their own Wild Card "Exhibition" division. If they do go to the Summit with those Wild Card Bids then they should not be awarded the same accolades as all the other teams competing at the Summit that did in fact earn their right to be there as defined by the guidelines. I realize that Varsity has changed the guidelines for the Y5 division for this year in the middle of the season and so technically that division will be there in accordance with the guidelines but that still doesn't make it right.

So I'll add this to the list of things that are "legal" according to the guidelines but are just plain wrong.

Again, I get this. But I also know that my CPs team out scored a BUNCH of teams that got Summit bids already (raw score and percent perfection wise). To imply that they don't deserve to be there is not true for all of them, try just weren't eligible for bids, because EPs weren't considering Y5. Maybe they knew about this change for a long time, and Varsity directed them not to?

But if there are other youth 5 teams there, and they compete against each other? Try to stand between my CP and that ring. Don't penalize the teams because of a decision that was not theirs.

 

[amy1k]

Since we aren't Varsity employees, as you are, we can't penalize your teams. Since Summit bids in some areas are nearly impossible to get for any levels, it's unlikely we'll be there to physically stand between your child and her ring, anyway. [emoji6] But we can discuss it and share opinions.

 

[SheCheers]

Again, I get this. But I also know that my CPs team out scored a BUNCH of teams that got Summit bids already (raw score and percent perfection wise). To imply that they don't deserve to be there is not true for all of them, try just weren't eligible for bids, because EPs weren't considering Y5. Maybe they knew about this change for a long time, and Varsity directed them not to?

But if there are other youth 5 teams there, and they compete against each other? Try to stand between my CP and that ring. Don't penalize the teams because of a decision that was not theirs.

But that's the way the cookie crumbles in this sport. if the EP isn't giving bids to Youth, then it's your gym's choice to still attend that comp. You weren't there for a bid. I'm sure EVERY team has a story of how they outscored a bid winner, or should've could've would've had a bid, but...

If part of the bid declaration or other scoring shenanigans made them "ineligible" for a bid, that's just how it is, unfortunately. If they're going to right this "wrong" they need to do it for every team that's feels they've been shafted in the summit bid process. And, btw, I don't mean that literally, because that would be ridiculous.

 

[megsmom]

I am interested to see how Varsity handles the divisions with 1-2 bid winning teams- like Y4 or Y3. Seems like a bad plan to have a division with 25 teams and a division with 2. IMO, EPs have been much more giving with bids to senior and junior teams this season. All Youth teams have been overlooked for bids. I would also love to know why Y5 was the division chosen and not Y4 or Y3. Until Varsity is more open about how things happen, there will always be hurt feeling and bad blood.

 

[megsmom]

But that's the way the cookie crumbles in this sport. if the EP isn't giving bids to Youth, then it's your gym's choice to still attend that comp. You weren't there for a bid.

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I know in the case of SOH, our gym rep was not told youth were not eligible for a bid until team check-in. At that point it is too late to back out. And yes, we built our season around getting a Summit bid.

 

[amy1k]

Do you think it is possible that there are MORE junior and senior teams and that's why they get more bids? I know that is the case where I live. The teams here will battle for maybe FIFTEEN Summit Bids. There is one competition this season in Washington giving Summit bids and one in Oregon. Anything else, we have to fly to. They are hard to get here. Few teams will go. At our comps, youth teams are eligible.

 

[luv2cheer92]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it ALL youth teams that have had some competition not giving them bids, not just Y5, so why isn't Y1-4 included in this? Especially Y4 since there aren't many of those team either.

 

[CatFan22]

I am not sure how many ways I need to word this. Never said we were entitled to Summit... Everyone has to earn it.

Except the Y5's

 

[FamousMatty]

Again, I get this. But I also know that my CPs team out scored a BUNCH of teams that got Summit bids already (raw score and percent perfection wise). To imply that they don't deserve to be there is not true for all of them, try just weren't eligible for bids, because EPs weren't considering Y5. Maybe they knew about this change for a long time, and Varsity directed them not to?

But if there are other youth 5 teams there, and they compete against each other? Try to stand between my CP and that ring. Don't penalize the teams because of a decision that was not theirs.

She's not saying they don't deserve to be there. She is saying they did not earn their bid the same way other teams did. Therefor, it's not really the same accolade as it is for the teams that earned their bid to be there. So I agree with her. If all the youth 5's are going on a gimme bid and all competing Friday with the earned WC bid divisions...then really there's no need to compete another day. Scores don't carry over. Winner of Friday is the winner. Leave the remainder of the weekend for teams who earned the ability to be there.

 

[amy1k]

I honestly think all the teams in Washington should get bids. There are so few and the kids try so hard. They DESERVE to go. It's unfair that cheer is so far behind here.

Oh, wait...that sounds crazy. Lol!