All-Star What Questions Do You Want Answered About Worlds?

newcheerdad said:

Two things I have questions about:

1. What are the barriers to mandating the use of the Worlds scoresheet at all Worlds bid-giving competitions? (in applicable divisions) If nothing else, it would allow teams competing for a Worlds bid to know where they stack up on the scoresheet. It would also give judges experience in judging to the scoresheet in real-life situations, and the USASF would have the ability (in theory) to evaluate the performance of potential judges before Worlds.

2. Is there any thought to enforcing some kind of standard criteria for obtaining a worlds bid, rather than leaving it up to the discretion of the event producer?

Click to expand...

The answer to both of these is basically the fact that the USASF doesn't direct companies how to do business. The guidelines put forth are the standard for rules and safety but EPs may modify for their competition. They also do not dictate how EPs give out bids. The bid tier system directs the number and type, but then it is EP discretion.

The only thing I have seen enforced is if an EP does not award bids in accordance with their bid declaration.

SharkDad said:

The answer to both of these is basically the fact that the USASF doesn't direct companies how to do business. The guidelines put forth are the standard for rules and safety but EPs may modify for their competition. They also do not dictate how EPs give out bids. The bid tier system directs the number and type, but then it is EP discretion.

The only thing I have seen enforced is if an EP does not award bids in accordance with their bid declaration.

Click to expand...

To me, this isn't a case of the USASF telling companies how to do business. At no point am I suggesting (at least not today) requiring all competitions to use the same scoresheet for events that don't hand out Worlds bids, or even to use said scoresheet for non-Worlds divisons.

Rather, it has to do with the USASF's qualification process for Worlds. They're already telling event producers how many bids they can hand out. Why is it such a leap to require the event producers to mandate a particular process for selecting those teams for their competition?

newcheerdad said:

To me, this isn't a case of the USASF telling companies how to do business. At no point am I suggesting (at least not today) requiring all competitions to use the same scoresheet for events that don't hand out Worlds bids, or even to use said scoresheet for non-Worlds divisons.

Rather, it has to do with the USASF's qualification process for Worlds. They're already telling event producers how many bids they can hand out. Why is it such a leap to require the event producers to mandate a particular process for selecting those teams for their competition?

Click to expand...

I don't think either idea is a leap. In fact I think it would be very easy to mandate a standard scoresheet: if you don't use the Worlds scoresheet you may not award a bid.

Making all EPs hand out bids is a bit more complicated. Standardization is the biggest issue and I think it has more to do with organizing a better competition system then we have now.

It's just not the way it is right now.

coast2coastfan said:

That's how they do it golf....
1st --a player, b player
3rd --c player

Golf's not cheer but its the only sport that comes to mind right now that allows ties in final scores

Click to expand...

That is how everything on the planet does it except for cheer.

Golf typically has a playoff scenario.

NJ Coach said:

Signing a waiver is all well and good, but what are the consequences? You're thrown off the team? The season is over, so I don't know how effective that is. There need to be real consequences. Like disqualification, unable to receive a bid for a year ect. These kids won't think it's fun and games when they've ruined the experience for the rest of the gym. The coaches will take a stand and make sure their kids are behaving with something like that looming over their heads. Everyone is responsible, everyone is to blame.

Click to expand...

There is a waiver that all coaches and athletes are required to sign. And the consequences can be pretty severe. The information is here on pages 13-14:

http://usasf.net.ismmedia.com/ISM2//Worlds Documents /2011 Cheer Worlds_Registration Packet.pdf

Here are the consequences listed:

BEHAVIOR/RISK COMPLIANCE

1. I agree to follow all safety, sportsmanship, hotel and performance rules both by the letter and spirit of the rule.

2. I agree to abide by the eligibility stipulations and substitution rules as determined by the USASF and I understand that if a violation is

reported, I may be required to supply eligibility verification to event officials.

3. I understand if one or more members of our team is found to be ineligible, is destructive to Disney property and/or competition-related

property, or behaves inappropriately, our team will:

A. Be disqualified.

B. Be responsible for repaying the total cost of any funds received through a “Paid” or “Partial Paid” bid.

C. Will not be eligible for any type of bid to The Cheerleading Worlds for the following year.

4. I understand our registration will not be entered/processed without this signed form.

BlueCat said:

Golf typically has a playoff scenario.

Click to expand...

Only for 1st place $ and trophy. Here's a an example frm a recent tournament:

1st- Player A -Score 273
2nd- Player C- Score 273
3rd- Player D- Score 274
4th- Player E- Score 275
5th -Player F- Score 276
6th- Player G-Score 277
6th- Player H-Score 277
6th-Player I- Score 277
9th Player J-Score 278
9th Player K-Score 278
9th Player L-Score 278
9th Player M-Score 278
9th Player N-Score 278
9th Player O-Score 278
9th Player P-Score 278
16th Player Q-Score 279

NJ Coach said:

The majority of teams at worlds are not going on a paid bid. I agree, the coaches should take some responsibility. However, they can't be everywhere. Everyone needs to take responsibility. The USASF who is sponsoring the party, Disney who is hosting the party on property, the coaches who have these kids representing their gyms and the parents whose children belong to them.

Signing a waiver is all well and good, but what are the consequences? You're thrown off the team? The season is over, so I don't know how effective that is. There need to be real consequences. Like disqualification, unable to receive a bid for a year ect. These kids won't think it's fun and games when they've ruined the experience for the rest of the gym. The coaches will take a stand and make sure their kids are behaving with something like that looming over their heads. Everyone is responsible, everyone is to blame.

Click to expand...

agreed.

If we had one adult parent in each room, I think the problem will significantly decrease.

I know a definite minority compared to the girls but is there any possibility of offering a bigger selection of either gender neutral or guy oriented clothing apparel?

Really though guys.. Who turned out the lights?!

icheerbrittany said:

Really though guys.. Who turned out the lights?!

Click to expand...

whoever it was was just listening to what Panthers music was telling them to do!

Cheer Dad said:

I know a definite minority compared to the girls but is there any possibility of offering a bigger selection of either gender neutral or guy oriented clothing apparel?

Click to expand...

Yes, please! I don't need any more pastel colours on my shirts. A simple black men's polo shirt with the World's logo would be a start.

Peter El said:

Yes, please! I don't need any more pastel colours on my shirts. A simple black men's polo shirt with the World's logo would be a start.

Click to expand...

Peter, my son ended up buying the ICU Worlds shirt (fridays competition) instead of the regular Worlds shirt because it looked better. Kind of heart breaking since this was his first time at Worlds and he was not part of the ICU event, but it did say Worlds so he got it.

heart33 said:

If we had one adult parent in each room, I think the problem will significantly decrease.

Click to expand...

Yes this might help for the high school aged teams, but for our level 6 team we didnt bring any parents, however we did try to keep a more mature team member in each room when possible