Division I And Division Ii At Worlds - Big Gym Separation

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  1. cupieqt

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    I heartily agree with this too
    ETA: I might have to cut athlete number 76 tho and put them in a rec class if we were going to Worlds :p



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  2. King

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    Gyms that have less athletes do different things to be successful. They make more mish mash teams, move kids up age groups to fly or because they don't have levels for them, and generally are not having this one core concentrated group of kids per age group and level. I think the idea is that there are multi level of gyms as much as their are multi levels of kids. The more kids you have the more true to level you can be.
     
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    We use crossovers to make teams more filled out (when I say filled out, I mean pushing 15). We are fielding 7 teams by the skin of our teeth in order to have kids placed on age and level appropriate teams


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    Could we not count tinys if it came to that in a count? Tiny teams are big around here. Old gym has two tiny teams.
     
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    Please? There's 6 of my 76 right there.


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  6. King

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    So this is not where this conversation was meant to go, but, I what if we should have less division sizes (all teams should be 24) and more gyms competing against gyms their own size. I might start this later in another thread.
     
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    Yea I don't want to hijack the D1/D2 convo at all. But gym size is definitely a huge factor here and worth discussion


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  8. cupieqt

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    So back to the topic at hand, would it be possible to designate D1/D2 based only on the number of total (worlds eligible) L5 athletes in the program?
    I just don't see how the total number of athletes ages 4-18, levels 1-5 holds weight. The majority of my athletes are mini and youth aged L1-2


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    Its gonna take a lot to convince me, but I think its simplistic to say it should be in for 2014. There is SO much more that needs to be taken care of for worlds imo before we start messing with divisions.

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  10. King

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    You are assuming if someone doesn't do this other stuff will be fixed. Presume this exists in a box. Nothing else will be done if this is not done. Should this still be done?
     
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    See in my mind Worlds has always been The Super Bowl...not the College Championships.
     
  12. King

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    Interesting. The Super Bowl has professional athletes who are paid to compete. Allstar is supposed to be amateur athletes like college.
     
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    Those teams that go to worlds without a paid bid and do well are the exception, not the rule. It's my understanding (and I think @BlueCat has discussed this before) that no team, outside of level 6, has won on an at large bid. And very few have medaled.

    And as the exception, should they be relegated to division 2? I don't think anyone's saying that it's a hard and fast rule that paid bid winners are absolutely better than the at-large bid winners, but it's definitely a pretty solid indicator.
     
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    As long as we have small team bids passed out, lets make those count. I like this idea of splitting between Div I and Div II. I think the split should be set depending on the number of Level 5 athletes. As a gym stated, they have between 75-86 athletes majority not level 5. That can't be large. I agree this will make it grow and for the majority of teams that are small most will remain small. It's not a matter of working harder at all. It's having more to work from. Often small gyms have to put an athlete on a worlds team without a skill just to fulfill the needs to compete. I think two biggest questions, does each ep with worlds bids have to have to split up bids accordingly and the need to increase number of what defines small gym.


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    I worry gyms would "play" off the number cut-off. This could potentially cut kids from certain programs that want to remain in the D2 division. We have enough problems with sandbagging.

    On the other hand, this could be really positive for an upcoming gym.

    I'm on the fence


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