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This also brings to question, are some gyms just more apt to score well vs others just because of their name?
I feel as a small gym we start lower than the bigger gyms. Cheer will always b subjective.Here's my beef. It's the subjectivity of it all. Like the above poster said, it could be one judge likes the teams routine better than another. It should be did the team hit the range of difficulty. I do understand the execution part. But that I don't think should be that subjective. Either they hit it or they didn't.
This also brings to question, are some gyms just more apt to score well vs others just because of their name?
I agree. We only have 30 kids, and sometimes feel that the judges aren't scoring the same from gym to gym. It's almost like when they see "well known gym" step onto the mat their subconscious is like "oh these guys are good" and they automatically have an advantage. Vs a gym they've never heard of that only has 1 or 2 teams, they have to work their way up from the bottom.I feel as a small gym we start lower than the bigger gyms. Cheer will always b subjective.
I think you are 100% correct. Some programs are just expected to win. Some are expected to lose.I feel as a small gym we start lower than the bigger gyms. Cheer will always b subjective.
I feel as a small gym we start lower than the bigger gyms. Cheer will always b subjective.
I have found that in some cases you can be as close to perfect as possible and still be second to a sloppy "mega gym" teamI agree. We only have 30 kids, and sometimes feel that the judges aren't scoring the same from gym to gym. It's almost like when they see "well known gym" step onto the mat their subconscious is like "oh these guys are good" and they automatically have an advantage. Vs a gym they've never heard of that only has 1 or 2 teams, they have to work their way up from the bottom.
We try and tell our kids that "they can't leave it up to the judges". Its a fighting phrase, basically saying if you don't do enough and give the judges room to make decisions then who knows what the outcome will be.
So if we go out and prove without a reasonable doubt that we are the best team on the mat that day, it takes away a lot of the judges power. But if we go out and are messy, falling, etc. Then we can't be upset with the outcome.
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This is the exact bias we are talking about. This is the assumption people (and judges) make about small gyms vs large gym that I feel influences the score, regardless of what ACTUALLY happens on the mat or what the small gym is actually doing. No doubt there are gyms of all sizes out there not pushing technique, but to assume that's true of all small gyms (which is what i see happening a lot of times) is unfair. Trust me, name recognition means A LOT.It is VERY subjective but I've been on both sides-- lesser known gym and better known gym. I will say this- the bigger well known gym really drilled technique technique technique into the athletes-- WAY more than the lesser known gym. The lesser known gym would "hit" but look sloppy while doing so. As long as the flyers stayed up, that's almost all that mattered in their eyes. I really noticed it once I left. When I was there though, I was blind to it. Also, the better known gym shared Day 1 score sheets with the athletes so they knew exactly what they needed to work on heading into Day 2- unheard of for our lesser known gym to do that. So, yes, it is a very subjective sport and I thought name meant everything, as well. However, in my experience, it doesn't mean as much as I thought it once did. And no, what I say above is not the rule- just my personal experience.
This is the exact bias we are talking about. This is the assumption people (and judges) make about small gyms vs large gym that I feel influences the score, regardless of what ACTUALLY happens on the mat or what the small gym is actually doing. No doubt there are gyms of all sizes out there not pushing technique, but to assume that's true of all small gyms (which is what i see happening a lot of times) is unfair. Trust me, name recognition means A LOT.