All-Star 2015 Worlds Packet

[kristenthegreat]

I will say-
My Irish ex-bf was here for the summer on a J1 visa. It's incredibly common for Irish students to come over for the summer on that particular one (they advertise them at University- I remember the flyer for it posted around campus). I don't know the length, but getting into the country in ANY capacity that requires flight is incredibly difficult. Green cards/citizenship? Hah.

FUNNY ENOUGH- I was browsing an article that some UK politician wants to make it so that directly after you wrap schooling on a student visa there, you're immediately kicked out of the country.

Do you think it's fair that the athletes from out if country go on homeschooling when they arrive here to cheer?

Why would that make a difference at all? The better question- why do you think it's UN-fair? Do you know how much cheaper schooling is in the EU? Also- how many of these mythical unicorns are coming over during schooling age (and I'm talking HS/early college).

 

[BlueCat]

Do you think it's fair that the athletes from out if country go on homeschooling when they arrive here to cheer?

Whether athletes go to school, go to church, get good grades, apply to the "right" universities, volunteer for their local charities, get good grades, or even help old ladies across the street are all are worthy things for parents, family, and even society in general to worry about. That doesn't mean that the USASF should make rules about them or use them as requirements for competing at their event.

 

[Teacher Mom]

Whether athletes go to school, go to church, get good grades, apply to the "right" universities, volunteer for their local charities, get good grades, or even help old ladies across the street are all are worthy things for parents, family, and even society in general to worry about. That doesn't mean that the USASF should make rules about them or use them as requirements for competing at their event.

I totally agree. I can't help but wonder the reasoning behind this rule.
Does anyone have any insight?

 

[pochantas22]

Not sure why. But any athlete coming into this country needs to follow the process that the Department of Homeland Security has in place for entering this country weather you cheer, run track, come to work or go school here. Common sense. It falls on both parties the parents and the gym owners.

 

[BlueCat]

Not sure why. But any athlete coming into this country needs to follow the process that the Department of Homeland Security has in place for entering this country weather you cheer, run track, come to work or go school here. Common sense. It falls on both parties the parents and the gym owners.

Agreed. The Department of Homeland Security, State Department, etc should be making those rules and enforcing them. They don't need the USASF to act as an additional law enforcement agency for those things.

Besides, USASF Worlds is not country vs country. That is what ICU is for. Citizenship and residency is outside of USASF's wheelhouse. Having citizens from multiple countries on a single team has never previously been against the rules - nor should it be.

Another point: When the USASF is incredibly efficient at the tasks they currently have, then we can start looking around for other areas for them to get involved in.

 

[Mamarazzi]

This just looks like someone got pi$$ed at Cali, threw a tantrum, and said "But how come they get to have all these athletes from across borders?? That's not fair!!"
Sure, a couple of other programs have been mentioned as having noncitizen athletes, but most discussed have been on Cali teams, correct?
USASF has a habit of making rules for the entire sport that scream "Oh hey, (Insert Random Team) All Stars."
I agree with BlueCat, BowCat, heck, all the Cats. Fix actual issues, governing body, then worry about residency requirements.
Sweep around your own front door before you sweep around mine.

 

[Cheer Dad]

This just looks like someone got pi$$ed at Cali, threw a tantrum, and said "But how come they get to have all these athletes from across borders?? That's not fair!!"
Sure, a couple of other programs have been mentioned as having noncitizen athletes, but most discussed have been on Cali teams, correct?
USASF has a habit of making rules for the entire sport that scream "Oh hey, (Insert Random Team) All Stars."
I agree with BlueCat, BowCat, heck, all the Cats. Fix actual issues, governing body, then worry about residency requirements.
Sweep around your own front door before you sweep around mine.

Or maybe a case of Cali getting upset over losing athletes.


**If forum lurking were an Olympic sport the Fierce Boards would be the training grounds**

 

[Mamarazzi]

Or maybe a case of Cali getting upset over losing athletes.


**If forum lurking were an Olympic sport the Fierce Boards would be the training grounds**

But it looks like they would be doubly screwing themselves over losing 1 athlete, if the Viqueens stunt group, Lady Bullets girls and whatever else is the case.

 

[pochantas22]

Cali isn't the only gym with international athletes.

In regards to Cali, one gym director at Cali was actually advised what was needed in order for one of her athlete to comes into this country and the response was " We'll worry about that later".

USASF is just trying to make sure that as an organization they are adhering to the laws as well. When you apply to go to school here certain documentation is required upon registration. It is same with gymnastics as well. USASF being a responsible organization.

 

[astaley22]

In regards to Cali, one gym director at Cali was actually advised what was needed in order for one of her athlete to comes into this country and the response was " We'll worry about that later".

That's quite the accusation. Were you present for that conversation?

 

[pochantas22]

Not an accusation or hear say. First hand information.

 

[Mo' Bettah]

From what I understand there are two athletes on Black Ops that currently do not meet the new requirements. One is here on visitors visa. And the other athlete ( previously) came from Lady Bullets had no visa to be in the USA. Her passport was flagged upon arrival. Neither have a J1 ( student) visa to attend school here even though they (including the gym director) were advised.

This is incorrect. The Black Ops kids are all legal.

 

[cheerKT]

So any updates on anyone who has been effected by this new rule? Or was everyone already legal under their
(kind of vague) "legal student resident" requirement?

 

[yooolizzi]

Maybe I'm really confused, but didn't everyone want USASF to step up and do something about all the teenage drinking (illegal, yet still done) and wild partying at Worlds? Here, they're stepping up and saying "no, you can't be in another country without proper documentation (also illegal in the U.S., and was done last year.) ill probably get attacked for this, but I think it is kind of a smart rule to have in place. Timing was terrible, but I think that there was good intention behind it.


It's sad that people won't follow an actual law but they'd follow USASF rules first.

 

[mstealtoyou]

I agree that it was probably made with good intentions. My issue with it is that it does not consider that there are some areas along the U.S./Canada border where the closest gym is across the border. (Like Point Roberts. But it's a special case.) But hopefully the USASF would take that into consideration.

My issue is that I don't trust Usasf/varsity to always have the best
intentions. I also think the timing on this one stinks. It's December. This should have been shared with gym owners back in May/June.