All-Star Worlds Info Packet

[Mclovin]

I decided I was writing too much already. But another point I did want to include is that sports, any sport is one of the most ritualistic things to prepare for. Ranging from inconspicuous to bordering on neurotic! I'm not saying any one way of walking out is better than the other. But I am saying is what works for one person (or team in this case) isn't preferred by another. So why limit (within reason of course) how they mentally prepare themselves for possibly the biggest competition of their lives?

I just don't think the USASF is trying to prevent squads from having "ritualistic" entries onto the floor. I think they are trying to prevent the overdramatic, we think we are the deal, parade around for 2 minutes, chest bump every athlete on the floor, etc. etc. type of entry. We all know there's a difference. IMO, SOT's entries are NOT over dramatic. They come on the floor with quiet confidence and it shows.

 

[StarshipTrooper]

If they have excessive celebration right after they compete they won't get the chance to win! lol Any team who is officially announced as the winner...IMO...celebrate away! Roll around, tackle, hug, high 5, kiss, whatever you want!!

Maybe they can be trained to behave after competing if they are allowed to act like wild animals after awards if they win. Good compromise. Go ahead with all the rules, we'll start the behavioral conditioning now.

 

[CheerForACauseAmbassador]

Gee thanks usasf for ruining my dream to go to worlds. i cant cheer but i still have a strong passion for this sport and i always wanted to go to worlds just to watch. this year ive been saving money to go.. but now since they raised the price theres no way i can get enough money in time. All they care about is money.. not the fans or athletes....MONEY!!
Now my dream will never come true :'(

 

[King]

I know the red necks from central NC will if they win. No doubt about it.

Perfect discussion point. If they are leading into day 2, hit, will they risk breaking the excessive celebration rules? And if they do, are defiant, and lose because of the celebration who will be to blame?

 

[kristenthegreat]

For the record- chest bumps and high-fives were specifically named. As was hugging coaches. Which I've seen several gymnasts do as well..

I've seen gymnasts throw temper tantrums when they come off the floor but are still seen in the arena area- does that count?

 

[Mclovin]

For the record- chest bumps and high-fives were specifically named. As was hugging coaches. Which I've seen several gymnasts do as well..

I've seen gymnasts throw temper tantrums when they come off the floor but are still seen in the arena area- does that count?

Anything is fair game once they exit the floor...I believe the rules only apply to being on the performance surface.

 

[StarshipTrooper]

Perfect discussion point. If they are leading into day 2, hit, will they risk breaking the excessive celebration rules? And if they do, are defiant, and lose because of the celebration who will be to blame?

Rules are rules. Break them and you lose. Yeah, they can behave. I hope everyone learns through their life you don't tug on Superman's cape, not everyone has. We're crazy but we ain't dumb.

 

[kristenthegreat]

Anything is fair game once they exit the floor...I believe the rules only apply to being on the performance surface.

Do you get penalties in gymnastics for not leaving the floor? I feel like you do at the lower levels..could be wrong though.

 

[NoOneSpecial]

Wouldn't it just make sense to find a new venue that has a lot more seating? Don't you want to get as many people as possible to watch? I know there are a TON of places that are big enough! Use your brains people!!:banghead:

It might cost them more money to buy out their contract and lease a new place for this event and the net result would be net loss. I see how hard it is to get out of RE leases because the market isn't there for tenants.

 

[Mclovin]

Do you get penalties in gymnastics for not leaving the floor? I feel like you do at the lower levels..could be wrong though.

I have no clue. But considering how quickly they start and finish on an apparatus, I can only imagine there is some sort of rule about it.

 

[cheerheart4life]

Or buy the live stream. This is just giant advertisement for the live stream. Hosted by Cheer Live?

I meant competing wise! That's one more day of school plus the Thursday and Friday people miss. Oh hey I have a solution- actually broadcast it on TV on ESPN live. Problem solved! If only...

 

[CheerForACauseAmbassador]

Gee thanks usasf for ruining my dream to go to worlds. i cant cheer but i still have a strong passion for this sport and i always wanted to go to worlds just to watch. this year ive been saving money to go.. but now since they raised the price theres no way i can get enough money in time. All they care about is money.. not the fans or athletes....MONEY!!
Now my dream will never come true :'(

* i cant cheer anymore* .. i think i should start typing slower lol

 

[The Sixth]

Maybe where I disagree is that I think our sport IS comparable to gymnastics or at least should be in regards to judging, legalities, sportsmanship and the like. Soccer, football, golf, hockey...all those other sports are won or lost based on a score that you cannot contest (unless of course the refs are making bad calls) but you know what I mean. Cheer is very much like gymnastics and figure skating where our judging is more subjective and involves the "opinion" of the judges more so than an actual fact based score. I personally would like to see us get away from that. I want to see our scoresheets be more objective and fact based (which I think the new Varsity scoresheet is TRYING to somewhat make that happen). But anyway, I think one of the reasons the world LOVES gymnastics and figure skating is because it is elegant and professional in nature. The girls are looked at as "perfection" on the floor and they are expected to act as such at all times. I want our sport to go in that direction.

And this is why I made the comment about scoring. But I think cheer will retain too many negative stereotypes if we align it with gymnastics and figure skating from a sports perspective. Heck even cheer itself. I think some of those points were outlined in that old topic about renaming cheerleading to define it as what it is, not what people perceive.

Plus, can you imagine if spectators were expected to watch a routine the way they are a gymnastics or figure skating routine? Elegance and professionalism may be why the world loves those sports. Outrageous energy, and flamboyant performances is why we love cheerleading!

Those other sports are also not an all day long event where getting squads on and off the floor determines the success of the event itself. Like it or not, excessive celebrating/encouraging before and after a routine does make a day longer. And we all already argue that the judges have too much on their plates as it is...

This part I'm on board with. But as others have said, give them x amount of time to get on and get off. Don't fret so much in how they do it, or what they do. Honestly, 9/10 the part of competitions I find the most delayed are when the last team has performed, and yet another hour goes by before awards are able to start.

 

[Mclovin]

And this is why I made the comment about scoring. But I think cheer will retain too many negative stereotypes if we align it with gymnastics and figure skating from a sports perspective. Heck even cheer itself. I think some of those points were outlined in that old topic about renaming cheerleading to define it as what it is, not what people perceive.

Plus, can you imagine if spectators were expected to watch a routine the way they are a gymnastics or figure skating routine? Elegance and professionalism may be why the world loves those sports. Outrageous energy, and flamboyant performances is why we love cheerleading!


This part I'm on board with. But as others have said, give them x amount of time to get on and get off. Don't fret so much in how they do it, or what they do. Honestly, 9/10 the part of competitions I find the most delayed are when the last team has performed, and yet another hour goes by before awards are able to start.

Perfect compromise IMO! Give each team a set time (30 seconds) to get on and off the floor. How you do it is your business. Hopefully there'll be some modifications to the new rule that state something more like that. And 1,000% agree on the "hour before awards start" statement!

 

[coach12]

It might cost them more money to buy out their contract and lease a new place for this event and the net result would be net loss. I see how hard it is to get out of RE leases because the market isn't there for tenants.

Not sure of the amount, but i'm sure they would more than make up for it with the amount of people that go to worlds.